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Author Topic: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)  (Read 1258 times)

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Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« on: September 18, 2016, 09:05:53 PM »

After tinkering as we all do i really wanted to upgrade my XCarves spindle after seeing such impressive results with the dewalt mini router. The starting price tag of 150 and as much as 350 with assessories has really put me off.
The original dremel type attachment has done the job albeit slow and normally taking a 1mm cut each pass in hardwood, a comparison can be seen here


I saw a minirouter on fleabay called a Hug Flight 6mm Trimmer also branded as "Katsu" - same machine and ironically enough... having bought the Hub Flight, the manual was by MAKITA.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hug-Flight-6MM-1-4-Electric-Hand-Trimmer-Wood-Laminator-Router-Joiners-Tool-/161594458406?hash=item259fc7c126:g:RxgAAOSwQaJXS~bM



The price tag for these is around 30-35 per router.....the bonus is that the XCARVE dewalt cnc mount will fit both these routers as they are around the 69mm diameter +/- motor mount mark.

The dewalt is 1.25 HP, these are at 1HP but at 120 cheaper i'll take the hit.  Having tested a 6mm end mill in both ply and MDF with a depth of around 6mm it was like a knife through butter.  (recommended depth was 3mm per pass).

If you're looking for a CNC upgrade, these little jobbies are great.  Most of my work is at 3mm depth and this trimmer/router will do this in a single pass as opposed to 3... serious time saving as well as cash saving.

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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2016, 11:22:23 AM »

Great find Gundummy,

I'll certainly be bookmarking this.
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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2016, 12:59:14 PM »

What's the noise level like from it?  I'm looking into building a CNC router at the moment.  I've got to be careful with the noise levels though, as it would live in the Shed at the bottom of my garden, unfortunately about 5 metres from my neighbours house.

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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2016, 08:04:15 PM »

They're both not to bad. I think it would upset your neighbour after 4 hours either way. Clearly this depends on what you're cutting through. Foam.... not a problem... hardwood and it's like a sawmill!
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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2016, 10:59:12 PM »

That's a bargain mod if it holds up over time and doesn't burn itself out.
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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2016, 06:59:06 PM »

Yeah that's the last test I suppose. Mind you if I burn out 4 I'll probably still be quids in!

Watch this space
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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2017, 03:31:21 PM »

How did the router bear up Gundummy? Is it still going?
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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2017, 11:10:51 PM »

Its down to the Bering's I guess, but for a hobby CNC I recon it will be good, I have used Kress routers in the past and there a great router, but a little expensive.
I use my CNC's all the time though.
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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2017, 10:00:01 PM »

My Hug Flight minirouter arrived the other day so next was a trip to robosavvy.co.uk to order a xcarve mount but alas they are not in stock until April.

So in the meantime, I've modelled a replacement mount which I'll print using my 3D printer.



I'm wondering how it will hold up as in theory there's little load on the mountings as the router should be cutting through with very little friction.
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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2017, 09:00:44 PM »

So heres a piccy of the finished article with a 3D printed terminal block box that allows me to extend the flex for the Hug Flight router around the cable runs.






You can download the models here.

Spindle Mount: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2174166

Terminal connector box: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2174700
« Last Edit: March 13, 2017, 09:02:32 PM by krikey »
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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2017, 11:55:54 PM »

Quick update: I've used the 3D printed router mount in earnest now on a couple of woodwork tasks using a 90 degree V bit and also a 6mm, straight 2 flute mill and it is bearing up surprisingly well considering its plastic. There is some flex in the model but as long as I don't place lateral load on the mill, ie run the RPM too low or travel speed to high, I'm getting good clean cuts on solid wood.

Next step is to try and find smaller collets (3mm / 1/8") to fit the hug flight so I can use some of the other end mills I have or perhars some kind of adapter.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2017, 11:58:26 PM by krikey »
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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2017, 07:57:48 PM »

Missed all this in my new job searching antics... that looks great...  ;)

I'm still waiting for the proper mount and looking at stiffening up the frame.  I can't do much until i'm in the new mancave  :(
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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2017, 09:49:43 PM »

Quick update: I've used the 3D printed router mount in earnest now on a couple of woodwork tasks using a 90 degree V bit and also a 6mm, straight 2 flute mill and it is bearing up surprisingly well considering its plastic. There is some flex in the model but as long as I don't place lateral load on the mill, ie run the RPM too low or travel speed to high, I'm getting good clean cuts on solid wood.

Next step is to try and find smaller collets (3mm / 1/8") to fit the hug flight so I can use some of the other end mills I have or perhars some kind of adapter.

Get one of these bud, with some collets, Just cut it down to a length that suits.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Straight-Shank-Collet-Chuck-Holder-CNC-Milling-Lathe-C8-to-C20-ER11-to-ER25-/291807466412?var=&hash=item43f11493ac:m:mjZVvFEZHvAIAg08mhhhXug

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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2017, 06:31:12 PM »

Get one of these bud, with some collets, Just cut it down to a length that suits.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Straight-Shank-Collet-Chuck-Holder-CNC-Milling-Lathe-C8-to-C20-ER11-to-ER25-/291807466412?var=&hash=item43f11493ac:m:mjZVvFEZHvAIAg08mhhhXug



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Not sure that I'll benefit from having a longer shaft. One reason for swapping out the original spindle was the length of the shaft outside of the main motor was quite long and so there was some play/chatter in the whole thing. Using the hugflight router, there is a much shorter spindle.

This is similar to what I ordered http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spring-Steel-CNC-router-tool-Adapter-6mm-to-3-175mm-Engraving-bit/272597997836?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D43781%26meid%3D64e871bde60a4c3386732232d41b2aa4%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D7%26sd%3D351610148014 Not sure that I'll benefit from having a longer shaft. One reason for swapping out the original spindle was the length of the shaft outside of the main
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Re: Router Upgrade for CNC (and XCARVE)
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2017, 06:34:30 PM »

Missed all this in my new job searching antics... that looks great...  ;)

I'm still waiting for the proper mount and looking at stiffening up the frame.  I can't do much until i'm in the new mancave  :(

Tim, if you would like a 3D printed mount, let me know and I'll knock one up for you and pop it in the post. You use your CNC more than I do I expect so not sure what longevity you'll get from the plastic mount though.
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