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« Last Edit: October 06, 2017, 01:04:52 AM by electrotor »
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2017, 01:23:16 PM »

On the plus side:

a) it hit a Phantom ... and I don't mean that in a "i hate Phantoms" way, I mean "because it's the one used by all media outlets so people know what it is"
b) the full-size landed safely afterwards

Soooo ... looks like the first real-world incident has not resulted in the death and destruction everyone predicted.
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2017, 01:51:49 PM »

Yeah, although to be fair a Black Hawk probably isn't that representative.  They're pretty much designed to be difficult to shoot down with guns.
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2017, 01:56:13 PM »

Yea I get you, although the drone did hit the main rotor.

I should add... THANKFULLY it didn't result in death and destruction...
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2017, 02:16:48 PM »

As I posted earlier, the circumstances are not known. OK, here comes the "however".

It could be that the drone was being flown illegally, eg. above a certain height or in a restricted area.
It could be that the drone had malfunctioned and was not deliberately flown into the path of the helicopter.
However it could be that both aircraft were simply occupying the same uncontrolled airspace and failed to avoid each other.
However it could be that the army helicopter itself was not flying legally.

Let's hope the investigation is thorough and unbiased, unlike the recent "testing" done here to prove how dangerous drones are.
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2017, 09:04:34 AM »

As I posted earlier, the circumstances are not known. OK, here comes the "however".

It could be that the drone was being flown illegally, eg. above a certain height or in a restricted area.
It could be that the drone had malfunctioned and was not deliberately flown into the path of the helicopter.
However it could be that both aircraft were simply occupying the same uncontrolled airspace and failed to avoid each other.
However it could be that the army helicopter itself was not flying legally.

Let's hope the investigation is thorough and unbiased, unlike the recent "testing" done here to prove how dangerous drones are.

I take your point but.....

Is there such a thing as a military helicopter flying illegally? I'm sure they have various laws and guidelines for general exercises- but I would imagine many of these can be ignored in an emergency.

How reasonable is it to expect a helicopter to spot the small profile of a drone as it's traveling at speed?

How capable is a drone of spotting a helicopter given the poor quality resolution picture,, very limited field of view and poor ability to judge distance?

Everyone who used to say "the chance of a collision is 1 in X Billion has either

1) been proved wrong
2) their chance in X Billion has come around all too quickly. And it will come around quicker next time as more and more drones are flown.

Hobbyists still obeying the rules will help. As will off the shelf products with software to enforce this. But the military will still do what the hell they want- and rightly so.

Enjoy it while we can folks :)
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2017, 11:53:46 AM »

I take your point but.....

Is there such a thing as a military helicopter flying illegally? I'm sure they have various laws and guidelines for general exercises- but I would imagine many of these can be ignored in an emergency.

How reasonable is it to expect a helicopter to spot the small profile of a drone as it's traveling at speed?

How capable is a drone of spotting a helicopter given the poor quality resolution picture,, very limited field of view and poor ability to judge distance?

Everyone who used to say "the chance of a collision is 1 in X Billion has either

1) been proved wrong
2) their chance in X Billion has come around all too quickly. And it will come around quicker next time as more and more drones are flown.

Hobbyists still obeying the rules will help. As will off the shelf products with software to enforce this. But the military will still do what the hell they want- and rightly so.

Enjoy it while we can folks :)

And equally respectfully I take your points too.

Military flying is also subject to regulation and they cannot simply do what the hell they want. It is neither safe nor sensible to have unregulated flying, whomever is doing the flying.

The real point of my 2nd posting was to suggest there are can be infringements to regulation other than drone flyers doing what the hell they want, or simply a conflict in navigable airspace with neither party at fault. I sincerely hope the investigation identifies the real cause so that it can be addressed fairly and without the bias which media reports seem to have.
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2017, 01:44:48 PM »

Until it's proved otherwise and at risk of being wrong on the odd occasion I'm pretty much always going to assume that it is the DJI plonker in the wrong place.
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 01:09:04 AM »

And here we have the final NTSB report on the incident.

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20170922X54600&AKey=1&RType=HTML&IType=IA%EF%BB%BF

Bottom line is :

Probable Cause and Findings

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this incident to be:
 
the failure of the sUAS pilot to see and avoid the helicopter due to his intentional flight beyond visual line of sight. Contributing to the incident was the sUAS pilot's incomplete knowledge of the regulations and safe operating practices.


What now will happen to the UAS operator is unclear.
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 07:46:24 AM »

Do they still have Guantanamo Bay?
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2017, 03:04:08 PM »

Oh dear

Sounds like he's really in trouble.
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2018, 01:37:03 PM »

The golden age of FPV is well and truly finished. Gone are the days when we could enjoy our hobby quietly without drawing attention and without being lumped in with this kind of stupidity.

Now it's just, oh look another irresponsible drone flyer.
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Re: Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 10:19:17 PM »

I dunno dogzilla - there seem to be a LOT of people posting FPV content these days on Youtube and having a ball with it - funnily enough I dont really see them posting on forums that I frequent, they seem to just get on with the idea of having fun and not getting involved in any pointless discussions about it.

I do (and have for a while now) wonder if we're the makers of our own misery by participating online - it's like if you search the internet for car reviews, you can guarantee ANY car will have numerous issues listed in the thousands but it's not an accurate reflection of the real situation; happy people don't complain, thus you don't get the balance they'd provide.
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Heads Up - drone collision with army helicopter
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2018, 12:29:18 PM »

Going forward I won’t post any fpv video that obviously contravenes the law on any public media. I have also removed such videos but as we all know once it’s on the inter web it’s not removable. I know that Facebook, Vimeo and you tube are constantly reviewed by enforcement agencies worldwide. Here’s an example, a friend of mine posted on Facebook (stupidly in my opinion) that he and his family where “excited to be off on a game shooting weekend in the West Country”. 1 day later he had a visit from the local Firearms Enforcement Plod who came down hard on him for “advertising to the general public that his home would be empty and would probably contain firearms”. Notes have been placed on his file and he will have to declare the visit on the next renewal application for his certificate. The officer then made him jump through hoops regarding in transit gun security and storage etc. Facing a possible revocation of his FC he contacted BASC for support and was told in no uncertain terms that he was in the wrong. So I don’t see the point in giving any ammo (pun) to any agency.

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