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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #150 on: January 10, 2019, 05:21:55 PM »

So the muppets can still fly their Phantoms within 1km of the airport! Didn't it used to be 3km before last July?

That looks like basically same rules as we have had since last July with the addition of a rectangle at end of runways. So the 5km is only for greater than 7kg!! No problems there then.

5Km applies to all except <250g.

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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #151 on: January 10, 2019, 06:33:42 PM »

5Km applies to all except <250g.
I must be miss interpreting:

Points from this are:
1) You can fly a <250g anywhere
2) The 1Km general exclusion applies to anything less than 7Kg

I guess it will all come out about 29th November when the system will go live. I am predicting it will go live just before it becomes mandatory, that is if this gov IT project is delivered on time  ;D
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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #152 on: January 10, 2019, 07:09:13 PM »

I find it hilarious that the general ignorant public is supposed to figure this shit out when experienced fpv pilots plainly can't, at least without requiring clarification.

Well done, government.
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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #153 on: January 11, 2019, 02:09:03 PM »


2) The 1Km general exclusion applies to anything less than 7Kg


Actually, got this wrong.  The exclusion zone is the same size as the ATZ which is 2.5 miles (4.6km) radius.  I'm not sure if there's still going to be a 1Km limit for anything... that's not clear.

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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #154 on: January 11, 2019, 04:57:53 PM »

This is the exclusion zone diagram, but doesnít explain much about the ends of the runway. Perhaps thatís where the 1 km comes in?
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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #155 on: January 11, 2019, 05:05:51 PM »

What's interesting about that document is that there were "only" 5,061 responses.... but only 165 GA pilots .... I'd have thought given then apparent dangers of drones they'd have been a lot more vocal.
Current BMFA membership must be loads more than 5,000. Total apathy rules!
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« Reply #156 on: January 11, 2019, 06:25:46 PM »

Current BMFA membership must be loads more than 5,000. Total apathy rules!
I wonder if it's to do with the demographics of the BMFA. The few clubs I have visited the members have been of similar age (collecting their pensions). I am not saying that people collecting their pensions are not using the internet but I would guess (and it is a guess) that they don't spend much time on the net as people who frequent flying forums, facebook, youtube etc.

I have a feeling that the gov push to do everything online is going to exclude sections of the population.

It took me 40 mins the other day to even get a phone number for Valuation Office Agency. Then 60 mins on phone navigating the dead ends of their phone menu system that kept telling me the info I needed was on their web site, which it wasn't!! Eventually I spoke to someone who emailed me the correct form as 'it isn't on the web site'!!!!!

Anyway back to 'drones' the 'consultation' was, to me, not specific enough in why it was asking the questions. i.e. was it about the future and commercial drones or for hobbyists? It seems like there is a world of difference between what commercial operators want (amazon etc) and what the hobbyist wants. eg. just look at the questions about how many 'drones' do you expect to own? Hobbyists can only fly one at a time so why does it matter? If it's commercial then it's a completely different ball game.
If it's anything like most gov consultations I have been involved in they have already made up their minds as to what will happen and design the survey to achieve their aims.
What will be will be and we will have to deal with it when it arrives. I can't see it being operational by Nov 2019! Gov not got a great reputation for getting IT systems running on time!!!

Just to add I did take the time to complete the consultation document as best I could.

Sorry for long post  :)
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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #157 on: January 11, 2019, 07:50:00 PM »

On the subject of the IT systems, I've always thought that the consultation was a little late considering how it was needed to pull together a requirements document, in order to then issue RFPs to various consultancies for quotations for the work, THEN the actual building of the systems, testing etc.

They reckon they're going to get the bits after the consultation done in... 8 months? Pull another one.

The requirements are already known, the consultation is simply a public facing "we did our homework" smokescreen.
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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #158 on: January 11, 2019, 08:02:25 PM »

On the subject of the IT systems, I've always thought that the consultation was a little late considering how it was needed to pull together a requirements document, in order to then issue RFPs to various consultancies for quotations for the work, THEN the actual building of the systems, testing etc.

They reckon they're going to get the bits after the consultation done in... 8 months? Pull another one.

The requirements are already known, the consultation is simply a public facing "we did our homework" smokescreen.
Very well put. I agree.
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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #159 on: January 12, 2019, 12:01:43 AM »

If it's anything like most gov consultations I have been involved in they have already made up their minds as to what will happen and design the survey to achieve their aims.

That was my impression too. I also thought it read more like a beta copy for testing before the full release. Well actually, less developed than beta - more like an early draft.

Just to add I did take the time to complete the consultation document as best I could.

Me too. I also tried to use the opportunities available to on the form to point out the inadequacies of the survey, eg. not really addressing recreational use.
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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #160 on: January 12, 2019, 10:34:57 AM »

On the subject of the IT systems, I've always thought that the consultation was a little late considering how it was needed to pull together a requirements document, in order to then issue RFPs to various consultancies for quotations for the work, THEN the actual building of the systems, testing etc.

They reckon they're going to get the bits after the consultation done in... 8 months? Pull another one.

The requirements are already known, the consultation is simply a public facing "we did our homework" smokescreen.

#metoo

Logically there is a ready made registration system working in Germany so why not just buy that?
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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #161 on: January 23, 2019, 11:25:35 AM »

And now some disruption at Newark International Airport.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46968419

The point about posting this here concerns the last part of the article and in particular "Police and airport staff at Gatwick will later this year take part in drills in the hope of being better prepared should there be another drone sighting." I would hope this also includes being less cavalier about arrests when there is no credible evidence of wrongdoing.
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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #162 on: January 23, 2019, 11:42:25 AM »

Apparently that drone sighting was TWENTY MILES away from the airport. Absolutely bizarre.
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« Reply #163 on: January 23, 2019, 12:01:47 PM »

Yes 20 miles away, generating much hysteria in the press ? :)
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Re: Gatwick Airport Disruption
« Reply #164 on: January 23, 2019, 03:02:26 PM »

Yes, a bit of an over-reaction. And to put it in context here's a map of the general area showing the proximity of Teterboro to other airports. Interestingly LaGuardia is closer but wasn't affected. I wonder if NASA had to cancel any launches from Cape Canaveral?  :P

Returning to Gatwick, which is the real topic here, I wonder what "drills in the hope of being better prepared should there be another drone sighting" will entail.

Also I see that EasyJet have reported  the recent disruption as costing £15m, consisting of £10m in customer welfare costs and £5m in lost revenues. OUCH! Bearing in mind that the disruption was outwith their control and therefore compensation was not mandatory, I wonder how they arrived at this large sum. If these were goodwill payments or costs, well done EasyJet. I cannot see O'Leary Airlines doing something similar.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/22/easyjet-gatwick-drone-cost-brexit-flights
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