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Credit where credit is due (BMFA)
« on: January 11, 2019, 12:57:20 PM »

This is a looooong video but it's worth a listen if you're in the car or whatever.

Andy (Symmonds?) from the BMFA who is the club officer ( ? ) puts forward a very good representation of the organisation and their thoughts on current / pending legislation and (shock horror) appears to be quite a nice, reasoned, level-headed guy.

I definitely agree with one of the points that the BMFA do not do a very good job of promoting their actual thoughts on matters and I have been very quick to disregard them as being anti-FPV in the past (and pretty recently actually).

CurryKitten - you're involved in this setup... what would it take to get more representatives of the BMFA / FPVUK / other associations onboard for a discussion so we could hear all points of view like what is done in the consultation meetings? They're essentially closed door, but something like this format would be awesome for the wider memberships to listen to and learn from. I know there was mention of Dave and manny coming onto the LDO but for whatever reason they couldn't make it.

Anyway - good video and fair play to Andy for participating.

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Re: Credit where credit is due (BMFA)
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2019, 01:16:56 PM »

Yes - Andy is the Club Support Officer, were due to have Dave Phipps on with him who is the Chief exec, but he had to cancel last minute.  We were all pleased that Andy was essentially on the same page as most of us out there.  In terms of : "What drones" in relation to Gatwick and acknowledging the lack that registration doesn't stop criminals intent of criminal activities.

There were some useful points discussed in terms of them (the BMFA) can be as pro/anti multicopter as it wants, but it's down to the individual affiliated clubs to decide with they were happy to see quads flying around as well.  Interesting as well to see where the club number have bloomed, it's where drone racing is taking part.

A few questions he seemed to side-step a few times whcih was about would the BMFA help with legal support in someone like the couple in the Gatwick case.  I suspect here that the answer is always no as they are just setup for liability insurance, but if it was something that reflected badly on them they might get involved.

We've never managed to get guests on as a sort of panel discussion idea, in part because it can be quite chaotic with just a few guests, and also it's surprisingly difficult to schedule people in and pin them down to any Thursday at 8pm, let alone multiple ones.

But I like the idea of getting multiple people on for a discussion even if they have opposing viewpoints.  I suggested that we could get ZoeFPV along with Noah Furhman (CEO of X-Class) they've had a massive falling out and, predictably, tell quite different stories about the circumstances.  I'm not sure how well our mediation services could go though without someone talking about cat's bums, chem trails, or something else and derailing it :)

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Re: Credit where credit is due (BMFA)
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2019, 02:46:20 PM »

What we need is an organisation like AOPA (which helps private pilots -PPL) for the drone community.  AOPA do provide legal assistance when having to defend your case against the CAA if you caused an incident in your aircraft.  AOPA also provide training courses and certifcations that many flying clubs recognise as relevant and valid (eg: AOPA aerobatics certification).

Take a look here for an example of the sort of things they do:
https://www.aopa.co.uk/

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Re: Credit where credit is due (BMFA)
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 03:34:53 PM »

Andy is an awesome guy, and very helpful and supportive. He is also a member on here if anyone wants to talk with him. His user name is "big a".

I met with all the big wigs from the BMFA last month and they are very keen to support us (us being racers).

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Re: Credit where credit is due (BMFA)
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 06:21:11 PM »

What we need is an organisation like AOPA (which helps private pilots -PPL) for the drone community.  AOPA do provide legal assistance when having to defend your case against the CAA if you caused an incident in your aircraft.  AOPA also provide training courses and certifcations that many flying clubs recognise as relevant and valid (eg: AOPA aerobatics certification).

Take a look here for an example of the sort of things they do:
https://www.aopa.co.uk/

Both the BMFA and FPVUK offer rather more than insurance for injury or damage.

https://bmfa.org/The-BMFA/About-Us
You will find a whole host of services if you use the dropdowns. In addition there's more detail on what the insurance actually covers.

https://www.fpvuk.org/membership-benefits/
Smaller organisation but still with benefits beyond simple insurance. In addition Simon Dale is very active with FPV regulation.
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Credit where credit is due (BMFA)
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2019, 01:35:44 PM »

Quite enjoyed my first ever podcast. Im happy to come back on at some point too. Dave was dissapointed not to be available but is also happy to make an appearance in the future.
Apologies for not been able to get the camera on my laptop working. Will try harder next time, although ive probably got a face for radio so you didnt miss anything.
With regards to the legal representation thing. I wasnt going to comment on a specific case which I think is understandable. Legal representation and advice is available but is on a case by case basis after close studying of the facts. Legal cover is there as part of the insurance. However for civil matters and for defending a case. You cannot use legal cover insurance to make a claim only defend a claim.

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Re: Credit where credit is due (BMFA)
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2019, 03:44:38 PM »

Well done. will be watching this one tonight
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