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Re: UK Drone Registration Scheme
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2019, 10:22:39 AM »

Currently Facebook is awash with individual responses to the recent CAA bombshell. These responses cover the complete range from well measured and coherent to infantile babbling and downright insulting. Last night the BMFA, LMA, SAA & FPVUK held a meeting with advisers and have issued a joint letter which thoroughly sets out their, and indeed our position. I would encourage you to read it and take action as suggested. It really is time to act together and set aside any differences or personal beefs.

https://bmfa.org/Portals/0/CEO/CAA%20-%20Letter%20to%20Members%20-%2030042019V3.pdf

https://www.largemodelassociation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/CAA-Letter-LMA-Members.pdf

https://www.fpvuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FPV-UK-Registration-Call-to-Action-1.pdf

https://www.saaweb.uk/news_page.html
« Last Edit: May 02, 2019, 11:10:32 AM by electrotor »
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Re: UK Drone Registration Scheme
« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2019, 11:55:12 AM »


The police do not need a warrant to enter premises to carry out an arrest under certain circumstances. For example: in an attempt to save a life or prevent injury to someone or serious damage to property or when there is reasonable belief that a criminal offence is being committed”. This is usually the “catch all” one commonly used. So driving up a farm track to investigate the illegal operation of a “drone”  would be allowed.

I'm sorry, but you've completely mis-interpreted this- you're referring to an arrest, not a search.  It would not be allowed without a warrant to search a private property.  The conditions for obtaining this warrant are that there is suspicion of a drone offence being committed.

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This is usually the “catch all” one commonly used
Cite references to where this has been used please.

As I requested before, provide a link proving in law that police would be allowed to enter your property to search for drones and related equipment *without* a warrant.

This legistlation hasn't passed yet anyway regardless of what has been proposed.

And lets just clarify what the police can and can't do:

https://netpol.org/2014/06/12/police-raids/

So the only situations they can enter your property are: if they know a crime is being committed or if they are going to arrest you.

So if you're flying in a BMFA field without registering, then they cannot possibly know you are committing a crime because they a) don't know who you are and b) don't know if you're registered or not.  They therefore have no grounds to enter a BMFA club property without a warrant.
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Re: UK Drone Registration Scheme
« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2019, 06:10:33 PM »

I'm sorry, but you've completely mis-interpreted this- you're referring to an arrest, not a search.  It would not be allowed without a warrant to search a private property.  The conditions for obtaining this warrant are that there is suspicion of a drone offence being committed.
Cite references to where this has been used please.

As I requested before, provide a link proving in law that police would be allowed to enter your property to search for drones and related equipment *without* a warrant.

This legistlation hasn't passed yet anyway regardless of what has been proposed.

And lets just clarify what the police can and can't do:

https://netpol.org/2014/06/12/police-raids/

So the only situations they can enter your property are: if they know a crime is being committed or if they are going to arrest you.

So if you're flying in a BMFA field without registering, then they cannot possibly know you are committing a crime because they a) don't know who you are and b) don't know if you're registered or not.  They therefore have no grounds to enter a BMFA club property without a warrant.

OK so I am not a keyboard warrior but I am prepared to clarify as follows. If the police suspect that a crime is in process they do not need a warrant to enter premises.

From your link "However, the police do not always require a search warrant.

    They can raid your home without a warrant if they are also arresting you or you are already under arrest (see below).

    The police also need no search warrant to stop a crime that is in progress, or to prevent a crime that they suspect is about to happen (such as a breach of the peace), or to save life or limb or prevent serious damage to property:

Therefore entry to private land under the suspicion that a crime is being committed is legal.

Case in point: Last July 3 police cars and a van  drove to a club patch on private land and 6 police officers interrogated 4 pensioners who where flying SUA and that FPV activity was underway and models where overflying the main A5 and above 500 feet into a controlled air space. This was reported to them by a "concerned member of the public". They searched the vehicles and kit, took names and addresses and asked for ID and proof that we where allowed on the land. I know this happened as I was one of the pensioners. No FPV was being flown, a line of site quad and several fixed wing models. There was FPV equipment in one of the members vehicles and this was searched and recorded. All the police officers had bodycams and objected when a member started to video them on is cell phone. I can assure you it was very unpleasant but legal as they had a genuine belief that a crime was in progress.

 
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Re: UK Drone Registration Scheme
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2019, 06:12:23 PM »

Currently Facebook is awash with individual responses to the recent CAA bombshell. These responses cover the complete range from well measured and coherent to infantile babbling and downright insulting. Last night the BMFA, LMA, SAA & FPVUK held a meeting with advisers and have issued a joint letter which thoroughly sets out their, and indeed our position. I would encourage you to read it and take action as suggested. It really is time to act together and set aside any differences or personal beefs.

https://bmfa.org/Portals/0/CEO/CAA%20-%20Letter%20to%20Members%20-%2030042019V3.pdf

https://www.largemodelassociation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/CAA-Letter-LMA-Members.pdf

Thanks for the links. I have done as much of that as is possible but my MP has stated that he is in favor of the new legislation as approaches to Luton Airport are in his "seat".


https://www.fpvuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FPV-UK-Registration-Call-to-Action-1.pdf

https://www.saaweb.uk/news_page.html
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Re: UK Drone Registration Scheme
« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2019, 11:04:55 AM »

Some progress thanks to all those that have responded to the consultation and written letters/emails.

More still needed to keep the pressure on though.
https://bmfa.org/News/News-Page/ArticleID/2585/IMPORTANT-UPDATE-CAA-PROPOSALS-PLEASE-READ-SHARE
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Re: UK Drone Registration Scheme
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2019, 12:44:58 PM »

Just for info 'Southport boy, 14, is youngest Brit to fly solo' OK so he did it in Canada as in UK you have to be 16!!!!!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-merseyside-48150299/southport-boy-14-is-youngest-brit-to-fly-solo
So you can get a uk driving licence at 17, a pilots licence at 16 but to own a 'drone' you must be 18!!!
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Re: UK Drone Registration Scheme
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