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Author Topic: New FPV UK Article 16 Operational Authorisation (issue 2) & FPV UK Handbook v1.1  (Read 706 times)

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Hi All

I wanted to let you all know that I have just uploaded our new FPV UK Handbook 2021 v1.1 here: https://www.fpvuk.org/files/FPV-UK-Handbook-2021-v1.1.pdf

This accompanies the new FPV UK Article 16 Operational Authorisation UAS13529 which is linked to here: UAS13529 Article 16 Authorisation Issue 2 - FPV UK - this supersedes the old joint UAS7068 Article 16 Operational Authorisation.

In this version I was able to have the CAA slightly improve the FPV separation distances (section 4.3 - from 150m, 50m, 30m to 50m, 30m, 30m) and I was able to get them to change the definition of a model aircraft very slightly to say ‘The use of any automation, such as automatic flight modes which alter the position of the aircraft, places the operation outside the definition of a model aircraft’ in order to allow the use of modes like panorama, selfie, etc.

I also got them to agree that flying with a motion controller, virtual control sticks, gesture control, etc are permissible - you don’t need physical control sticks. (I included a couple of questions related to these two points in the new FPV UK CofC: Drone Law questions and at first the sector team rejected them as incorrect. Then, after persuading them to change the definition ever so slightly, those questions were allowed).

All the best

Simon
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Thanks for that. That is a great document that lays things out in a much more readable format. Thanks

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Thanks for the work you've put in on this Simon.
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Great work Simon !
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Nice job there Simon - much more readable than the CAA efforts.

Page 42 has the "Yes / No" statements missing from the 3rd flowchart, just a heads-up.
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Great work Simon and many thanks for the progress made.

I have raised a couple of questions with the BMFA which may or may not directly apply to FPVUK. The reason I say may not is that whilst the BMFA & SAA  have affiliated clubs, this is not the case with FPVUK & LMA as far as I know.

1.   If a club member of a BMFA/SAA affiliated club is a member of an organisation other than the BMFA/SAA, does that member fly in accordance with the BMFA Article 16 or Article 16 of his/her modelling organisation whilst flying at his BMFA/SAA affiliated site?
2.   If a visitor to a BMFA/SAA affiliated club is a member of another organisation, does he/she fly in accordance with the BMFA/SAA Article 16 or Article 16 of his/her modelling organisation? (I am thinking here of fly-ins where there might be a mixture of organisation members potentially flying under different Article 16s)

I will also enquire of the CAA provided I can find the correct contact details. Perhaps you can point me in the right direction because they seem to change & I don't always get an answer!

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I would imagine the answer to both would be "under the club policy" for insurance purposes.
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I have raised a couple of questions with the BMFA which may or may not directly apply to FPVUK. The reason I say may not is that whilst the BMFA & SAA  have affiliated clubs, this is not the case with FPVUK & LMA as far as I know.

1.   If a club member of a BMFA/SAA affiliated club is a member of an organisation other than the BMFA/SAA, does that member fly in accordance with the BMFA Article 16 or Article 16 of his/her modelling organisation whilst flying at his BMFA/SAA affiliated site?
2.   If a visitor to a BMFA/SAA affiliated club is a member of another organisation, does he/she fly in accordance with the BMFA/SAA Article 16 or Article 16 of his/her modelling organisation? (I am thinking here of fly-ins where there might be a mixture of organisation members potentially flying under different Article 16s)


I have an answer already from Andy Symons of the BMFA. My questions to the BMFA had some additional explanatory background information which is not relevant here so I have extracted only the essential part from his answer.

"Only BMFA members can fly under the BMFA Article 16 Authorisation, members of other associations must fly under either the open category of CAP722 or their own associations Article 16 authorisation if they have one."

From this it is clear that your association membership determines which Article 16 revision applies regardless of any overall club affiliation, so for example an FPVUK member must fly in accordance with the Article 16 Revision for FPVUK even if flying at a BMFA affiliated club site.


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I stand corrected then.

Presumably though the FPVUK member would still have to adhere to the rules of the club from which they fly - so if there was for instance, an agreed 300ft rule they would have to stay under it instead of the 400ft rule allowed under Article 16 for FPVUK? Or even only within authorised field boundaries specific to that club.
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My local BMFA affiliated club has decided to ban all fpv activity...been flying FPV there incident free since 2014..
  My other local BMFA club based at Langar airfield has also banned it, despite being a huge site..It's even stated on their Website.....They hate us.

 FPV will go underground again, if it survives that is....Being beaten up with FAA rules...
Dreamt up because some Political Activists disrupted Airports and our Government had to be seen to do something...So, hey, get the BMFA to sign up to all the rules and every member admit to flying a "Drone"
 They couldn't wait to sign up...and now ban us.
Perfect....🤔🤔😳🙄
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Maybe need to take a deep breath English Turbines.

Read again Simon's post starting this thread to see what has been done quietly in the background for model flying including FPV. In effect very little has changed if you are a member of a CAA recognised model flying association, which of course FPVUK is. I think Simon has probably done more than most for our benefit but he is not alone so don't think the BMFA simply signed up to all the rules without their input too.

The "drone" word, lamentably, still lacks definition but I am not aware of any bans other than a height limitation of 400ft for multirotors or 1000ft for other types if flown FPV. When we were allowed to I had my DJI Phantom up to 1000ft during the day and 1200ft at night still within VLOS. Personally I wish I could still fly it over 400ft but if I want to go higher I'll just have to use fixed wing. And lacking any proper definition of "drone" I only fly model aircraft Constable. Do you have a pipe Constable where you could ignite and inhale the D word.  ;D

BTW we do not have FAA rules here. You should know that.  :D
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The thing I'm wrestling with is that every time I go out to fly I feel like I'm perceived to be doing something wrong and need to have a working knowledge of these constantly changing rules in case someone challenges me.

I just don't feel like justifying myself to $randomperson who's "heard of the rules" when I'm trying to enjoy an innocuous pastime. I keep the aircraft away from people at all times, but sometimes people walk past ME (walking their dogs, stopping their cars to see what I'm up to etc) and it has become tiresome wondering what is going to be said, laughing off the "spying" jokes etc.

I really love the flying but I dislike what it's become. I hate how people supported the introduction of these overbearing rules as well - organisations such as UAVHub seem to exist to perpetuate the myth that if you fly without a qualification then you're irresponsible. That is easy for people to latch onto but, on the basis of zero incidents throughout my flying hobby, I don't agree with it at all and think it's a shame things have ended up this way.

It doesn't help of course that I fly alone so do not have a spotter and am technically in-breach of the rules so simply cannot defend myself by the letter of the law but I feel like a bit of perspective is needed. I really hope that one day FPV can be done without a spotter. I completely disagree with the notion that it is unsafe and I'm still waiting to be shown that I'm wrong ten years later.

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Guess I need to repeat myself....The BMFA affiliated Clubs including mine are banning all FPV activity.
  Appreciate what Simon and people like him are doing, but the fact is, the BMFA and it's Clubs are not onside with our activity.
  Banning individuals or their activity is done at Club Committee level...so they are a law unto themselves.
  The only real solution to this IMO, is to have our own Clubs, where individual fpv activity is a prerequisite of membership.
  We need our own Clubs...!!!!!
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I fly at a BMFA affiliated club and there is not even a hint of banning FPV.
The club committee does not rule the club, it carries out the expressed wishes of the members and if it steps out of line would get taken to task smartish.
As regards banning anyone, there is a procedure written into the constitution regarding the reporting and behaviour of members. As a last resort it will go before the committee.
My previous club was (and still is) SAA affiliated. Nothing was passed without the approval of the membership.
Sounds like there might be some dinosaur clubs out there. Extinction looms.
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Guess I need to repeat myself....The BMFA affiliated Clubs including mine are banning all FPV activity.
  Appreciate what Simon and people like him are doing, but the fact is, the BMFA and it's Clubs are not onside with our activity.
  Banning individuals or their activity is done at Club Committee level...so they are a law unto themselves.
  The only real solution to this IMO, is to have our own Clubs, where individual fpv activity is a prerequisite of membership.
  We need our own Clubs...!!!!!
     :vulture: :vulture:

 
The BMFA affiliated clubs are not all banning FPV , the vast majority accept it perfectly happily, the BMFA and the majority of clubs are fully onside with FPV activity. It's all there is the Article 16 authorisation.  See https://rcc.bmfa.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/20210517-The-SMAE-Ltd-UAS7068-Article-16-Authorisation-Issue-2.pdf
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