Hi Guys,
Just a quick note to say that the new Falcon EVO FPV is now available.
As usual, FPVHUB members get their laminate for free (2m). Just put a note in the order.
Flies great, good 20min flights possible on 2200mah 3s with the Eco power system, you can also get a 4000 3S Multistar battery in, as I found out at Mad Dogs the other week.
All the best (weather)
http://www.flyingwings.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=57_130&product_id=424 (http://www.flyingwings.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=57_130&product_id=424)
Rob
Cool - looks great.
Just as an aside I notice on the page under "Kit Manual" there's a bunch of raw html instead of formatted stuff.
Good stuff, the eco power setup doesn't hang around either! We were up at Olney the other night with Rob and had a bit of a dogfight with the Falcon Evo, it kept up with the pace of the Venturis really well:
http://youtu.be/soK9cwz0u2M (http://youtu.be/soK9cwz0u2M)
Looks good, very tempted! Could you post a picture of the inside of the center section? I take it there is space to cut out the nose in order to mount FPV and HD cams flush?
Ha, that vid looks like a vulture trying to catch a pigeon! I'll have to post up my footage, got nice a close at times!
I am quite keen. :) How does it compare to the original Falcon?
E.g
Weight
Wing area
etc
Quote from: iwan_canobi on April 10, 2015, 02:39:42 PM
Looks good, very tempted! Could you post a picture of the inside of the center section? I take it there is space to cut out the nose in order to mount FPV and HD cams flush?
See CK's video for a little peek at the centre section:
Sneak peak of the new Falcon EVO wing at Mad Dogs Spring 2015 meet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJDBcUobFds#ws)
The front section is a block of foam which you can cut yourself to house the camera and is deep enough to take a GoPro and board cam within the foam section.
Sorry Andy, I don't have any technical details myself, I've only ever seen the thing built in the flesh this time.
The front section curves over, I did ask Rob if he intended to give an option to put a Mobius or whatever camera in, but he was of the opinion that it would be easier and more flexible for people to cut their own.
From what I saw, it would be pretty easy to cut a few chunks of foam away and get an HD and FPV camera in there nice and flush and still keep a pretty good aerodynamic line
Looks really nice. 1m wingspan makes it a competitor to the tbs Cap, skyfun, tek sumo and Wipeout.
Would be really interesting to see a comparison between the efficiency and speed package.
After some of the best flights ever yesterday in my highly battered cap, I am tempted by this. However, a big attraction of the cap is its ease of layout of components. Pity I already have a replacement lined up when my cap finally dies.
Cool, thanks for adding the vids,
Iwan, The manual is now fixed, here is a simple drawing showing the internal compartment size. We are running with a 2200mah 3s and an Eagletree Vector, with room to spare.
(http://s13.postimg.org/ayjqn907n/Dims.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ayjqn907n/)
Hope that helps, Please ask as many Q's as you like + suggestions
Ta Rob
Skyscraper,
The wing area is almost the same, the central pod creates lift too. The all up weight with vector & FPV but without GoPro was 760g, its light !!
Rob
Look away now rob... As usual I cant resist mucking about with it... sorry ! :laugh:
Hope I'll be able to sculpt away the foam in the centre section toa smooth shape and maybe build it up a bit for my camera. Ive never used a gopro so not bothered about that ...
(http://s22.postimg.org/8gemhrhyl/Photo0134.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8gemhrhyl/)
The rationale with the winglets is to increase the moment to reduce waggle a bit and have a good effect on drag as outlined in:
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/winglets.htm (http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/winglets.htm)
Will try to figure out some sort of winglet connector on the 3D printer...
Already have some laminate so willl do an allover lam job on it..
Anyway I'm pretty sold on it.. Need a new plane though I cant seem to bust my old Falcon :)
regards
Andy
Mr tinkerer is back!
Here's my chase vid (its just uploading now)
http://youtu.be/_1T4fdIlyp8 (http://youtu.be/_1T4fdIlyp8)
want one... will buy one when I've sold some other FPV related bits :)
Brilliant footage
Quote from: Brucey on April 10, 2015, 10:30:42 PM
Here's my chase vid (its just uploading now)
Unfair! I need a Chris.
Quote from: skyscraper on April 10, 2015, 08:16:29 PM
Look away now rob... As usual I cant resist mucking about with it... sorry ! :laugh:
Hope I'll be able to sculpt away the foam in the centre section toa smooth shape and maybe build it up a bit for my camera. Ive never used a gopro so not bothered about that ...
(http://s22.postimg.org/8gemhrhyl/Photo0134.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8gemhrhyl/)
The rationale with the winglets is to increase the moment to reduce waggle a bit and have a good effect on drag as outlined in:
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/winglets.htm (http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/winglets.htm)
Will try to figure out some sort of winglet connector on the 3D printer...
Already have some laminate so willl do an allover lam job on it..
Anyway I'm pretty sold on it.. Need a new plane though I cant seem to bust my old Falcon :)
regards
Andy
No picture?
Quote from: rob.thomson on April 11, 2015, 10:03:56 AM
Quote from: skyscraper on April 10, 2015, 08:16:29 PM
Look away now rob... As usual I cant resist mucking about with it... sorry ! :laugh:
Hope I'll be able to sculpt away the foam in the centre section toa smooth shape and maybe build it up a bit for my camera. Ive never used a gopro so not bothered about that ...
(http://s22.postimg.org/8gemhrhyl/Photo0134.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8gemhrhyl/)
The rationale with the winglets is to increase the moment to reduce waggle a bit and have a good effect on drag as outlined in:
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/winglets.htm (http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/winglets.htm)
Will try to figure out some sort of winglet connector on the 3D printer...
Already have some laminate so willl do an allover lam job on it..
Anyway I'm pretty sold on it.. Need a new plane though I cant seem to bust my old Falcon :)
regards
Andy
No picture?
Hi Rob,
Not sure what you mean?
Its just a sketch of how I was thinking to mod the Falcon EVO. It may not be possible to do it since I may not be able to get battery in though. Might do the tips but would add weight.. but then maybe I could make a longer stub fuselage to get battery in. That worked pretty well on my Old wing Tensor V2.
OTOH maybe I should just leave it alone :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
regards
Andy
Its true that the more rearward you can place the wing tip back, the less waggling, not that the EVO is bad in this case, worth a fiddle with a new winglet design.
It would be nice to have a moulded design but the tooling cost is crazy, and then you cannot improve the design over time, which happens
Thanks Brucey for the video, I was flying LOS is failing light, trying to be smooth and predictable so that you could follow, and you did. I was flying only at just over half throttle too, with my finger close to the RTH switch as I could hardly see it.
Cheers Rob
Quote from: foamster on April 11, 2015, 12:16:36 PM
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It would be nice to have a moulded design but the tooling cost is crazy, and then you cannot improve the design over time, which happens
A streamlined central stub fuselage/pod would be a good candidate for 3D printing. With a program like OpenSCAD (http://www.openscad.org/) you could even design it with a bespoke battery/camera size/pos etc. Might be a nice user customisation/upgrade
Think I'm going to have to buy one now and try this out!
EDIT : Ordered!
regards
Andy
Rob!! I ordered last night!! Luke Bannister!! Cant waot to get thjs beast in the air!! Gunna run cyclops storm and 2212 1640kv on 3s 4000!! Cant wait!! 1.3 and uhf as well!!
I'll be ordering once my DJI Phantom ebay auction ends and the money is in my paypal account.
since I use the GoPro on my skyhunter, and the bix3 had been decommissioned, I have no use for my Mobius so that'll end up on this baby, should be lighter than the GoPro and I still love the mobius footage quality.
I still have the powertrain from this beast... it's the 1400kv motor with 7x5 prop so much like your "ECO" power set.... although it still really really shifts :)
Go-dver FPV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjztj8vYYFA#ws)
Go-dver crash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HUooC8Q43M#ws)
I'll just have a plain old Breeze OSD on it, no fancy RTH or stability for this one... I find it gets in the way of the fine adjustments I make when trimming my wing using the TX.
looking forward to getting my hands on it, will be my first "lammed" wing.
Quote from: youngflyer on April 13, 2015, 12:38:42 AM
Rob!! I ordered last night!! Luke Bannister!! Cant waot to get thjs beast in the air!! Gunna run cyclops storm and 2212 1640kv on 3s 4000!! Cant wait!! 1.3 and uhf as well!!
Nice one luke
Quote from: BlueFlyer on April 13, 2015, 12:46:14 AM
I'll be ordering once my DJI Phantom ebay auction ends and the money is in my paypal account.
since I use the GoPro on my skyhunter, and the bix3 had been decommissioned, I have no use for my Mobius so that'll end up on this baby, should be lighter than the GoPro and I still love the mobius footage quality.
I still have the powertrain from this beast... it's the 1400kv motor with 7x5 prop so much like your "ECO" power set.... although it still really really shifts :)
Go-dver FPV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjztj8vYYFA#ws)
Go-dver crash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HUooC8Q43M#ws)
I'll just have a plain old Breeze OSD on it, no fancy RTH or stability for this one... I find it gets in the way of the fine adjustments I make when trimming my wing using the TX.
looking forward to getting my hands on it, will be my first "lammed" wing.
It's amazing how laminate adds so much strength!
Falcon EVO arrived in the post today.
Looks nicely done. Certainly a step up from the original Falcon (http://www.fpvhub.com/index.php/topic,14568.msg135128.html#msg135128). Wings are slightly more swept and slightly less area. The elevons are Obechi (or some light wood) rather than foam used on the original. I would love to do a streamlined 3D printed centre section for looks I guess, but will probably just build it to the instructions just for lack of time. There looks to be a reasonable amount of room in the centre section too and a generous bit of foam in the pod to cut away if necessary. A Turnigy 2200 mAH 3S Lipo fits straight in.
Hope to make a prettier job of this one than the last too, though that is still going strong!
regards
Andy
Less typing and more building;D;D;D
Well, that's mine ordered guys... I asked for the free lam pack in the notes box during checkout.
Can't wait to get it built and flying for the summer.
Quote from: Brucey on April 14, 2015, 06:18:25 PM
Less typing and more building;D;D;D
:laugh: Slight problem in that I need to smash up my old indestructible Falcon to get the bits off :dazed:
hmm wonder what would happen if I put the Speedster motor and 6S bat on Old Falcon?.. whatdyaReckon... ? :overexcited:
:laugh:
regards
Andy
Quote from: skyscraper on April 14, 2015, 11:05:34 PM
hmm wonder what would happen if I put the Speedster motor and 6S bat on Old Falcon?.. whatdyaReckon... ? :overexcited:
Damn good idea!!!!
status changed to shipped :) :) :)
will the included laminate stick fine to the wooden elevons?
I've got fibre tape for the hinges, but will be hiding it with the final vinyl covering (not a full covering, just some stripes and patterns etc)
Quote from: BlueFlyer on April 15, 2015, 11:43:20 PM
status changed to shipped :) :) :)
will the included laminate stick fine to the wooden elevons?
I've got fibre tape for the hinges, but will be hiding it with the final vinyl covering (not a full covering, just some stripes and patterns etc)
Some fibre tape degrades with uv light and eventually frays and almost splinters. Happened on one of my wings. Admittedly the wing was left outside for a month....:D
Ritewing did a video on fitting elevons and what tape to use. I forget which one they suggest I think it was a 3M one.
Yeah the laminate will stick to the wood, but I found it really hard not to get bubbles!
As for hinges, I used this stuff http://www.ryman.co.uk/3m-scotch-mailing-tape-50mm-x-20m-with-dispenser
Quote from: Brucey on April 16, 2015, 07:13:29 AM
Yeah the laminate will stick to the wood, but I found it really hard not to get bubbles!
As for hinges, I used this stuff http://www.ryman.co.uk/3m-scotch-mailing-tape-50mm-x-20m-with-dispenser (http://www.ryman.co.uk/3m-scotch-mailing-tape-50mm-x-20m-with-dispenser)
In the old solarfilm days I used to pop bubbles with a pin. Once there is one hole the porous wood will do the rest..
regards
Andy
I'm pretty sure they tried to deliver mine today whilst I was at work... do they use interlink?
anyhoo, I've arranged a re-delivery and for them to leave it on my back doorstep :) :)
and no, I'm not telling any of you where I live ;)
Yep, they used Interlink for my Venturi.
excellent :) once my DJI Phantom sells on Saturday I'll have the funds for the OSD, ESC, Camera and EzUHF receiver
I'm a happy man... looking forward to taking my time to build this as best I can.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8259957/FPV/Falcon%20EVO%20FPV/FE%2001.jpg)
Finally got around to putting my Falcon EVO together. So far just the main airframe.
I have to say I really like this kit. It is very easy to put together without stress. Also just feels like a nice shape and size plane. I had some paints left from my old wing Tensor ( bought at The Range)so I decided to put them to use...
(http://s29.postimg.org/jeyea9ewz/Photo0141.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jeyea9ewz/)
(http://s14.postimg.org/wjjwiebwt/Photo0142.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/wjjwiebwt/)
Next to try some laminating
regards
Andy
Got the laminating done. It aint like solarilm... less stretchy. Seems best to tack corners while pulling it a bit tight, then go all round the edges and finally over the rest..
Am wondering what to put in it now. Still have my 600mW IRC Vtx and 2 x Orange OpenLRS RcRx. May even try the Diversity OpenLRS option and put one on each wingtip ... Would have to try it on 433 MHz.. 468 MHz was pants.. but if it works should be good for some "long range" esp if I am now getting 2 km on 25 mW 5.8 GHz Vtx ...
regards
Andy
OpenLRSng on a single rx Andy, I wouldn't go for the diversity just yet - there's enough other stuff stopping you from flying nowadays!
A flexible 433 dipole will get you all the range you need.
If you want to give the 459 a go again you've got the RFExplorer so can check out what might be conflicting. I used to find quite a lot of things like bucking regulators and board cams where spiking on 459.1.
Here's mine, been finished for a while now but only now I'm getting around to fly it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMIU1f3CoOQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMIU1f3CoOQ)
I've been seduced by these and just ordered one.........
Justification of which is that I won a Xaomi YI cam on another forum and needed something to do with it......
Better make the Mrs a cup of tea when she gets in...... :laugh:
You won't regret it. .. well unless the Mrs gets hold of ya!
She can't complain too much, a big box of cycling stuff turned up today for her lol.
But what motor do I want for this? I've got several 2200mah 3s lipos hanging around and will use them, I've got a 2200kv on my wing wing and that doesn't seem that fast..... Not that I want to be silly with this one, I'll keep the wing wing for that and just use this for cruising around with the descent(ish) cam on the front.
Quote from: jt on June 22, 2015, 09:16:43 PM
But what motor do I want for this? I've got several 2200mah 3s lipos hanging around and will use them, I've got a 2200kv on my wing wing and that doesn't seem that fast.....
Is that the 2826/6? I've used them on Falcons running 3S and it was plenty fast enough on a 7x5 prop.
Quote from: iPeel on June 22, 2015, 09:18:18 PM
Is that the 2826/6? I've used them on Falcons running 3S and it was plenty fast enough on a 7x5 prop.
Yes, It's running a 6x4 on the wing wing and it gets up to about 95kph.
excellent plane bud, you'll love it
I do
I've got this motor with a 30A plush ESC and 8x6 apc prop
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__35175__D2826_10_1400kv_Brushless_Motor_UK_Warehouse_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__35175__D2826_10_1400kv_Brushless_Motor_UK_Warehouse_.html)
I got 21 minutes flight time on the FPV maiden :)
Quote from: BlueFlyer on June 22, 2015, 09:23:16 PM
excellent plane bud, you'll love it
I do
Your build thread and the few videos of them on youtube really convinced me lol. I'm a bit apprehensive about applying the laminate as it's just the sort of thing I fudge up but I guess it will work out somehow lol.
Quote from: jt on June 22, 2015, 09:39:39 PM
Quote from: BlueFlyer on June 22, 2015, 09:23:16 PM
excellent plane bud, you'll love it
I do
Your build thread and the few videos of them on youtube really convinced me lol. I'm a bit apprehensive about applying the laminate as it's just the sort of thing I fudge up but I guess it will work out somehow lol.
perhaps I should ask for some commission lol
I too was terrified about the laminating process, but it was really easy and went on with no trouble whatsoever.... did you remember to put a message in the comments box saying who you were on this forum to get your laminate film for free?
Laminating looks harder than it is. Watch a couple of vids and you'll be fine. Just make sure you put the lam on the right side down....gets sticky!
If you've ever covered a model in Solar film etc.. before then laminating is incredibly easy. If you've never covered anything then it could be a bit more tricky but with a decent iron you can't go wrong.
Edit: laminating is much easier than gluing the thing together straight lol
Quote from: Brucey on June 22, 2015, 09:43:41 PM
Laminating looks harder than it is. Watch a couple of vids and you'll be fine. Just make sure you put the lam on the right side down....gets sticky!
This ^^
Cough, Cough,, easily done :fool:
Quote from: BlueFlyer on June 22, 2015, 09:42:23 PM
. did you remember to put a message in the comments box saying who you were on this forum to get your laminate film for free?
Yes ;) How long was the delivery on yours?
Quote from: Brucey on June 22, 2015, 09:43:41 PM
Laminating looks harder than it is. Watch a couple of vids and you'll be fine. Just make sure you put the lam on the right side down....gets sticky!
Quote from: Sheldon Holy on June 22, 2015, 09:46:45 PM
If you've ever covered a model in Solar film etc.. before then laminating is incredibly easy. If you've never covered anything then it could be a bit more tricky but with a decent iron you can't go wrong.
Edit: laminating is much easier than gluing the thing together straight lol
I'm sure I'll be fine :-\ Mind you, I can't stick stickers on straight without wrinkles........ :laugh:
2 days bud
Quote from: BlueFlyer on June 22, 2015, 10:20:37 PM
2 days bud
Cool, cheers. I will have something to keep me occupyed over the weekend :D
I couldn't make up my mind which motor to get so I ordered a 2826 1400kv, a 2200kv and a 30A ESC. This way I can try out both motors and see what I like best. The long flight time of the 1400kv sounds good but may p*ss my spotter off when he's waiting for his turn to fly :laugh:
although the 20 minute flight time is good, I did find that my buddy's skyhunter was way faster... when chasing him he could easily get away from me... also, when following me he had to fly so slowly he was verging on a stall.
I too have the 2200kv motor, so will pop that on for this thursday's flying session... see how it goes.
To add to the mix, I run a 980kv spinning an 8x8 prop on 4S. Here's a video from Terrabound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwLnsfPp4Y0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwLnsfPp4Y0)
That was actually the second flight on the same battery, a 4000mah Multistar! I normally run a 1800Mah 4S zippy now and get pretty decent flight times out of that.
sorry posted in the wrong place
Quick question guys, I'm working my way through the build- but how did you glue the spar in? I have the wings glued on so I assume im supposed to force some glue into the thin groove on the base of the wings?
Did you guys use hot glue? Or maybe some gorilla glue?
I followed the instructions lol
basically, glue the spar into one wing before you glue the wing to the fuselage.
put that wing on the fuselage, then put the other wing onto the spar and fuselage at the same time.
I used 5 minute epoxy for the spar in the wing slits, I wanted a strong connection.
Ooops guess I missed that!!
Gorilla glue or super glue? Hmmmmmm :s
Uhu Por if you have it is best, but if you had to pick one of those two you suggested then definitely Gorilla glue.
Just filled it with gorilla glue. With a bit of luck it will seep around the spar a bit. It's not going to be an aerobatic plane anyway.
Feel like a complete idiot. Was watching wheeler dealers of all things! That little orange fella who keeps saying tarrra put me off :D
If it's the strip (flat) spar version you may want to use diagonally inserted pins to hold the spar down in the slot to stop the gorilla glue from pushing the spar out during expansion.
It's a normal round spar fortunately :)
If I sand it down properly it should be ok hopefully! Feel such a lemon!
Mine has been delivered!!!! ;D Glued a couple of bits up after getting in from work, before running out of foam glue..... :opps: In my excitement I forgot to add some to my order..... A tube of uhu por is now inbound 1st class.
(http://s16.postimg.org/asjboillt/IMG_20150624_145859.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/asjboillt/)
And another one falcon evo in the build. Good fun this build goes together really well.
Went with the eco setup from flyingwings
I only used Por on the spar for mine and used hot glue on everything else, including joining the wings to the wood.
Quote from: jt on June 24, 2015, 05:10:29 PM
Mine has been delivered!!!! ;D Glued a couple of bits up after getting in from work, before running out of foam glue..... :opps: In my excitement I forgot to add some to my order..... A tube of uhu por is now inbound 1st class.
Quote from: iPeel on June 24, 2015, 08:33:27 PM
I only used Por on the spar for mine and used hot glue on everything else, including joining the wings to the wood.
I'm a big fan of hotglue, I even use it to hold pieces of wood together to turn on my lathe, so I know how strong the bond can be but I would worry about getting the joint thin enough and having the time to get enough on say the wing end before it cooled and thickened/hardened where I had started applying it. How do you go about it? Or is it just a case that the foam is such a good insulator it just gives a bit more time?
Quote from: jt on June 25, 2015, 08:46:37 AM
I'm a big fan of hotglue, I even use it to hold pieces of wood together to turn on my lathe, so I know how strong the bond can be but I would worry about getting the joint thin enough and having the time to get enough on say the wing end before it cooled and thickened/hardened where I had started applying it. How do you go about it? Or is it just a case that the foam is such a good insulator it just gives a bit more time?
To glue the wings I actually put it on the wooden part and offer up the wing half. The glue stays plenty hot enough for enough time to apply the glue, get the joint together and adjust the leading edge so it meets the cheek guide perfectly. Hot glue stays hot for ages, at least mine does probably because my gun is knackered!
Por is great for gluing foam to foam and the spars in because it gives enough to move with the foam so the joint is never stressed, so I still always use that on the spar joint but and I think I use Gorilla glue on the bit where the spar runs across the centre section to fill the void, everything else is hot glue and it means I can build a Falcon in about 2 hours. As I'm now on my 5th Falcon I've had plenty of practise!
Thanks iPeel, I took your advice and went for the hotglue option, glad to say my wings are now on solidly and in the right place! :)
Just got back from this evening's flying... I fecking love this wing... Vector suits it perfectly.
I'm pulling around 15 amps on full throttle, thats with the 1400kv turnigy motor and an APC 8x4 prop... such a brilliant glider too.
Cool, glad your enjoying it!
Quote from: Brucey on June 25, 2015, 09:43:49 PM
Cool, glad your enjoying it!
Who on here is from flyingwings?
Foamster. ... He just uses iPeel and I as guinea pigs!
I wish I was a guinea pig for them
I'm fairly sure at least 2 recent purchases of the Falcon Evo are directly attributed to my salesmanship lol
Seriously considering it's big brother now for a long haul beast.
Yeah word of mouth and flying at meets works wonders.
Get a vent, you won't regret it!
I think I might try out my 2200kv motor on the Falcon, with a 6x4 prop... get a bit of speed on the go :)
I'm running a 3000kv on 4s, goes quite nicely!
I too have been out for a little jaunt this evening...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V2NgJXS8Z0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V2NgJXS8Z0)
Not much harm done, I managed to eject the board cam and some repairs needed on the hatch.
Mine is coming along nicely. Have embedded all components and then laminated over the top.
Just need to mount the motor and then teach myself the entire use of eagle tree vector tomorrow so I can fly in the evening :s
When fixing the wing tips, has everyone followed the instructions and just taped them on?
Seems a little crude to me and perhaps a bit weak on landing? Unless it's intentional?
I glue them on. Not keep on the tape either
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on June 27, 2015, 02:08:31 PM
Seems a little crude to me and perhaps a bit weak on landing? Unless it's intentional?
That's the idea, if you crash then the winglet comes off rather than break the wing, but it's held on tight enough not to come off accidentally. Saying that I hot glue mine, if you do just make sure you rough the surface of the correx up a little before applying the glue.
Well just ordered one, will see how it compares to my initial version which I'm sure this is based on! :P
May put on the center fins on this as well, although not sure if it really makes any difference. Looks cool though! :D
Need to wait till I move house before I start the build though as my workshop is now packed up!
Had the maiden yesterday.
First flight was a bit tail heavy. This was with a 2200 up front, a vector and esc in the middle, and other components on each wing tip. It needed a fair bit of trim which surprised me.
Second flight I added a bit of nose weight which helped, and flew inverted to check CG. Handling seemed to deteriorate and, although there was a slight crosswind, she did seem twitchy and I landed her. On landing I realised my HD camera had fallen out :( the card alone was worth £50 and a similar amount for the xaiomi Yi camera :( I'm going to look for it today but doubt I will find it.
Anyway- I'm going to get a few 4000s and hopefully that will up the weight and improve the handling a bit. She did seem quite twitchy and didn't cope with the wind well, but this may be CG related.
I was also surprised to find the 30A esc quite warm, even though I'm using the efficiency motor. I may have to mount it outside of the hatch in future.
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on June 28, 2015, 10:11:30 AM
On landing I realised my HD camera had fallen out :( the card alone was worth £50 and a similar amount for the xaiomi Yi camera :( I'm going to look for it today but doubt I will find it.
That's really bad luck :(, hope your search is successful for the cam, been there before.....
Quote from: jt on June 28, 2015, 10:38:11 AM
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on June 28, 2015, 10:11:30 AM
On landing I realised my HD camera had fallen out :( the card alone was worth £50 and a similar amount for the xaiomi Yi camera :( I'm going to look for it today but doubt I will find it.
That's really bad luck :(, hope your search is successful for the cam, been there before.....
I feel like a complete idiot tbh. First time I haven't taped a camera in! What a fool!
Ah thats a sore one, must have been an expensive card! What colour of Yi do you have? Hopefully its white or yellow and should stand out! Good luck with the search!
Sandisc 64gb class 1 which I use in my gopro
Stupid really. I will buy a little 16GB for the more risky stuff!
Had a look for it but no chance really. I only have a vague idea of where I flew inverted.
Is it just me or does the falcon struggle in the wind? I will load mine up a bit more next time which will help hopefully!
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on June 28, 2015, 02:53:08 PM
Is it just me or does the falcon struggle in the wind? I will load mine up a bit more next time which will help hopefully!
It's got an AUW of around 650g, the wind will have a major impact on that.
I still manage to get a reasonable flight in even in quite windy conditions, like at Bounce the other week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLSA6L1wWR4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLSA6L1wWR4)
Cool video.
Just weighed mine- it's nearly 800g with a metal board cam, HD can, vector and a 2200. I'm guessing it will gain another 70g or so with a multistar 4000.
Took it for another flight today and it was really nice. Still not great in wind but getting her trimmed out with a decent CG helped for sure.
The 30A esc gets hot when inside the hatch even when she's pulling 5-10A 90% of the time! Will have to mount it outside later. Will help with the CG when I fit a bigger battery too.
She's still not flying quite right. Asymmetrical amounts of trim required on the video Tx wing. If I add a bit of weight to the Rx side will that help or just cause less predictable handling?
Is it the asymmetrical weight between the wings that's requiring the increase lift on the video Tx side?
Or the drag from the antenna?
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Is it balanced left/right?
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5 mph faster now with go faster stripes :)
Billy, your components are too far out on the wing.
Although it looks cool to have it all separated that much, there honestly isn't that much difference in performance at the distances you'll be flying a Falcon Evo.
because your gear is so far out on the tip, that means the weight of that gear is way behind the CG point of the wing. I guarantee you'll need to put ballast in your nose if you want to keep your gear out there.
I'm not saying I'm perfect by all means, but look how I've got my EzUHF and VTX on the wing right near the centre section... I don't have any ballast up front, and on just a 2200mah 3S too, I have no tail heavy issues whatsoever and she handles perfectly fine.
remember, the further out from the balance point you place your gear, the more a small difference in weight will affect the balance. you could put only a few grams out on the wing tip and it would be like placing a much bigger weight near the fuselage.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8259957/FPV/Falcon%20EVO%20FPV/FE%2026.jpg)
And to add...
the reason it handled so poorly for you was because your HD cam fell out, this is bound to give you an unbalanced wing and I wouldn't judge the Falcon Evo's handling until you've correctly amended the CG and the control surface throws (that will sort the twitchyness)
Interesting comments Blueflyer thanks
Re the video separation distance- I think that depends on the video frequency you're using. I'm not bothered about how the plane looks but I know I have placed them behind the CG, but I wanted the CG back a bit as I'm running a metal board cam on the front, a HD cam and I want to run 4000 batteries.
At the moment I have no HD cam in the front but 63g in the front. When my new 72g cam arrives I should be nearly neutral. When the bigger batteries arrive I can put the esc out the back to keep it cooler and balance it out.
Re the balance/trim issue I'm a bit embarrassed about :D I taped a penny out underneath the wing tip to balance it before the maiden but I looked under it this morning and it was gone! Ooops! Anyway another penny added and its trimmed much better now thanks :)
I figured about the sudden CG change and handling was down to a lost camera mid flight lol ;D
Your plane really looks nice. Maybe I will add a bit more colour to it.
What would people recommend motor wise? Looking for something decent quality and will be running on 4S 3000mah batteries. Not looking for a speed monster, but a mid way point of speed and efficiency. Thinking probably somewhere around 1000kv with an 8x4 or 8x6 prop should do it. Preferably one with a decent shaft and prop mount and not the stupid collet style ones. Can never seem to balance those properly.
Might just get a sunnysky 2212 980kv actually, got them on my multis and been happy with them!
I'm using this motor
http://rctimer.com/product-117.html (http://rctimer.com/product-117.html)
which comes with the eco power system
200W and 50g.
It's pretty good tbh. Fast enough to punch through wind and pretty efficient but it wont be a super beast. She pulls 15 -16A at full throttle but will cruise at around 5A. A 4s system would be nice I expect. Maybe aim for 250-300W?
The battery bay isn't huge. You could probably fit a 2200 4s in there but, unless you can find something a similar length you won't get much bigger without mods to the battery bay. Having said that I have a full autopilot in mine and she will carry a board cam and HD. It has the potential to become my go to wing with a bit more tweaking.
Don't suppose this is much help but
I run mine with a 980Kv on 4S turning an 8x8 prop. It flies nicely but on an aggressive climb out you need full throttle. Probably more like 1200Kv is a good bet if you want a bit of headroom, mine will do 100Km/h on the flat though.
Battery-wise if you're talking about a 4S 3300Mah nano-tech then it won't fit in the bay, the battery goes across the width of the bay. It will just take a 4000Mah Multistar though with just a bit of teasing away from the front of the battery bay and I found it balances out quite well but I don't run a high def camera up front. You wouldn't need that battery though unless you're planning on doing serious distance, I normally fly on an 1800Mah and get half an hour of gentle flight out of that.
interesting ipeel. you must be really nursing it to get half an hour. I think im closer to 15-20 mins. Mine is balancing with a 2200 3s with a HD cam and heavy board cam on the front. I think a 4000 will make it quite nose heavy but i will put the esc much further back which will hopefully help a bit.
Cheers guys. Hmm, I may be buggered in that case, had a look and my zippy 3000's are 2cm longer than the 4000Mah multistar, and also a bit heavier. I only had planned that as that is what I use in my scratchbuilt effort and I have loads of them.
So looks like I may need to order some more batteries in that case.... :( I'm planning on using the Xiaomi Yi as HD cam and a board cam also, so I guess I'll need smaller to keep the weight down anyway. Will have a look at some 2200 4S's I suppose, if that will get me 30 minutes I suppose I won't need that many anyway as my flying windows are usually short. Falcon should arrive today so I'll measure up the bay and make sure I get something that will fit properly!
Will look at 1200kv motors as well. Cheers for the advice guys!
If you have to buy new batteries anyway do consider the 3s 4000 multi stars. If you ever bin the falcon and don't want them again they will be pretty handy for ground stations etc- unlike 2200 4s which are a fairly rare size.
do you have standard 4s 3000 zippy? Not the compacts? I have lots of them too and they are huge and much the same weight and size as the 4000 compacts. I bought lots when I first moved to 4s but I don't like them that much now tbh.
I have a few components behind the CG line- you may find she still balances with just a HD cam up front.
Cheers Billy, I kinda want to stick to 4S really though, as I could potentially use them in other planes as well. I've got an old FT foam board spitfire that would be a rocket on 2200 4S! :)
£11 from UK warehouse as well so will stick a couple in the basket.
hmm, if you want to use big 4S packs you should have got the Venturi.
Falcon is tried and tested as a brilliant machine on the 2200kv motor with 6x4 prop, or the 1400kv motor with 8x4 prop, both on 3S.
It was designed with a 2200mah 3S in mind because it's the most common size LiPo out there, the 4000mah 3S multistar is very close in terms of dimensions, that's why it too is used.
If you start messing around and making the falcon evo too heavy, it won't be worth flying.
the 2200mah 3S LiPo I use in mine (21 minute flight times I might add) is the cheapest one hobbyking sells... only £7 each... 20C gives a max draw of 44amps, I barely pull 16amps so anything more expensive is a waste of money.
buy 4 x 2200mah 3S LiPos from hobbyking for just under £30 and you'll have a good couple of hours at the flying field if using the eco power set
Have you seen the 2200 4s packs before blueflyer? They look almost the same as the 2200 3s ones just a bit thicker. The 3000s are much larger.
I have just checked with a turnigy 2200 4s and it fits comfortably in the front of my falcon with about 1cm spare in length. I would imagine its a similar weight to the 4000 3s multistars.
I take your point about not wanting to make it too heavy- but even with a HD cam and an autopilot taking mine up to 800g I'm already keen to use a 4000 3s multistar to up the weight a bit so it can handle the wind a bit better. Keep it under 1kg and she will fly great I reckon- I should be kissing 900g with a multistar.
Let us know how the 4s setup goes Iwan. But IMO the falcon makes a great all purpose wing (rather than a pure speed demon)- it would be easy to ruin it if you go for raw speed. You may as well buy a skyfun if you want that. But with clever motor and prop selection may well mean you have a pretty efficient setup at tickover but has the 4s punch if you're in the mood for speed or aggressive climbing! I have never really got my head around motor/prob stuff though :D
Yes mate, I actually had several of them, nanotech ones for my radjet ultra (before I sold it... with the LiPos).
My point was about big 4S packs, the ones that Iwan was saying he wanted to use.
I therefore stick to my words when I said "if you want to use BIG 4S packs you should have got the Venturi"
Just weighed mine and it's 912g AUW... thats fully laden with:
GoPro 3
Vector OSD
4ch Lite EZUHF rx
IRC600 5.8GHz VTX
30A ESC
1400kv motor
8x4 prop
2200mah 3S LiPo
and more importantly.... no dead weight/ballast
Flys perfectly, so I reckon the extra weight of the 4000mah 3s multistar would be fine but may make it a tad nose heavy... which is preferable to being tail heavy.
remember if you want to go 4S you need a bigger (and therefore heavier) motor that is rated for 4S, and a bigger (heavier again) ESC.
it's not just a case of throwing in a bigger LiPo... that's not the only factor to take into account. If you want a 4S wing that can carry big 4S LiPos then don't buy the Falcon... buy the Venturi, there's not a lot of difference in price between the kits, especially if you then go on to spend mucho £££ on the stuff to go in it.
All points taken on board, I was only planning that as I have plenty of the packs and thats what I use in my scratch built falcon evo (pretty much exactly the same from what I can see, I built it before the falcon evo was available - http://www.fpvhub.com/index.php/topic,22361.0.html (http://www.fpvhub.com/index.php/topic,22361.0.html)). I'm not planning a speed demon, was just wanting to make use of the kit I already have. I have already built a Venturi EVO but it was too big for my liking, and was too much money in the air for me. I bought the falcon evo as my scratch built one is looking a bit worse for wear now.
I still think I want to go 4S purely in terms of efficiency. I have a 30A ESC which should be plenty I think (again thats what I use on the frankenwing), and if I can keep the weight under 1kg then I should be golden hopefully. The 2200's are about £11 so no biggie. I have a Tornado OSD waiting to go in as well.
What servo's do you guys use? Was thinking 9g metal gear Turnigys would be fine?
Yeah, the Turnigy MG90S is fine. I also went for a 4S setup to use the same batteries I use on my 250 and think it works great, I use a plush 25 and a T-Motor 960Kv.
Blueflyer I only asked you if you had seen the 2200 4s as you continued to talk about the cons of big 4s packs in the falcon after iwan said he had bought some 2200 4s. Fair point I missed your emphasis on the word BIG 4s packs although I think by then iwan had dismissed using them.
You can get 4s motors which are a similar weight to the 3s stock motors and the stock 30A esc would be fine. It sounds like iwan intends to keep the weight very similar to stock and just run a 4s setup.
You and I have near identical setups it seems- although I run a 7x5 prop as it came in the kit. Mine pulls about 16A too from memory. It would be interesting to see how the two compare but ecalc doesn't seem to have our motor on its database.
I take your point though that it's easy to ruin a plane by increasing everything. I did this with a tek sumo by trying to run a 3000 4s in there. I cut far too much foam out of it to fit the battery, so had to add loads more weight in strength, and it was never right and crashed hard!
Re the servos iwan- I just bought the ones with the kit. They are 9g MG ones I believe.
The 2826's are on eCalc BB, but for some reason it only displays them every now and then and for different variants of the same motor (1400 / 2200) you need to flick to another manufacturer and back to Turnigy. It does the same thing with e-flite motors.
I think it's their way of encouraging you to buy the full version.
Although I did it a dozen times and couldn't ever find the Rtimer model? Which is a 2212/10.
Unless you're saying Rtimer is a rebranded turnigy?
Well I just got my hands on mine today as I was out of the office yesterday when it got delivered, and I can now see why my batteries wouldn't fit! Its a lot smaller than I had in my head for some reason! Certainly a lot smaller than my scratch built one. This is good though, means it will be nice and portable!
Looking forward to starting the build, need to get my house move next week out of the way first though. Gives me time to think of a design scheme.... :D
Quote from: iwan_canobi on July 02, 2015, 11:22:41 AM
Gives me time to think of a design scheme.... :D
He-Man this time is it?
Now theres an idea.... :D
The paint job on my Falcon was too nice. so I decided to F*ck it up :laugh:
(http://s24.postimg.org/vll6i1sq9/falcon_spar.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/vll6i1sq9/)
Now just to find some Gorilla glue...
regards
Andy
Am i the only one who's struggling with thrust angle?
After trimming for mid throttle, nailing the power makes it climb big time. This would indicate either a very nose heavy plane or incorrect motor thrust angle no?
I'm going to bring the prop a little lower and see if that helps.
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on July 09, 2015, 11:51:13 PM
Am i the only one who's struggling with thrust angle?
After trimming for mid throttle, nailing the power makes it climb big time. This would indicate either a very nose heavy plane or incorrect motor thrust angle no?
I'm going to bring the prop a little lower and see if that helps.
Try adding a couple of washers behind the motor plate on the top two screw holes.
I have added 3 :)
There's still a tiny bit of thrust angle. Perhaps 3-5 degrees.
have you done the dive test? dive at 45 degrees or so and shut power off, let go of the sticks, if it dives more it is tail heavy, if it pulls out it is nose heavy...
power is eliminated from this test so you can tell if it is CG or thrustline when you compare the straight and level power on to the dive.
/Steve
I admit I havent flown my Falcon EVO yet, but the stock thrust angle looks very jaunty. I would expect there to be way too much up thrust .. Maybe this was done on purpose. There is bound to be some tolerance on the actual angle dependent on how its built so.. Better for it to head skyward on Maiden launch than wind itself into the deck!
regards
Andy
Does the dive test work with a wing? They have reflex (up elevator) as the airspeed increases it will start to pull up.
Well, for good measure, I'd like to say that I have no problems with the thrust angle on my Falcon Evo #justsaying
Quote from: Brucey on July 10, 2015, 10:47:28 AM
Does the dive test work with a wing? They have reflex (up elevator) as the airspeed increases it will start to pull up.
never tried it but I don't see why not, it wont keep gaining speed once it is established in a dive it will reach terminal velocity for that angle and just stay put.
I reckon it will work, but I have no first hand experience of trying it with a wing. both the previous ones have gone in hard before I have got around to fine tuning \0/...
Just to add no problem at all with the two Falcon Evo wings we have built, tested with no flight controller flew as straight as an arrow. Added a hobbyking t1000fc after that so even more stable if not a little bit placid. Added a small amount of reflex.
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https://youtu.be/tWPHhfEWdhI (https://youtu.be/tWPHhfEWdhI)
Finally back in the land of the living and with broadband activated in the new house! Took a break from painting the house and....painted my Evo! My airbrush crapped out on me so had to hand paint the coloured bits so they are a bit wonky, but should look fine once it's all laminated!
Hopefully get some time tomorrow to do some more building. Got a Tornado OSD to go in, 30A ESC and a nice 1040kv Leopard motor on 4S. Got some 2200's that fit perfect. Not sure on prop yet, probably 8x6 I think.
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Looks great.
It will be a rocket on 4s!
My Maiden flight of falcon evo with a openpilot
Footage from the phone camera :)
http://youtu.be/-BpfJfK2NrA (http://youtu.be/-BpfJfK2NrA)
Cool, welcome to the club!
I decided to take my evo above the clouds :o. I love this thing!
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Yn_pIyJ9w#)
Anybody thought adding a pan servo to the fpv cam on a falcon evo or another wing? Is it worth doing?
I'm thinking about it to my falcon.
Possibly. As long as you keep it compact as to limit air resistance. also you will need to sort out the weight distribution if you do. otherwise it could be interesting.
How is everyone getting on with their Falcons?
I love mine- would be interested in feedback and peoples thoughts on the pros and cons. I'm running the eco power pack, a vector, and a 4000 multistar battery.
Pros
Small, compact, flies lovely when the CG is right. Mine carries a gopro sized cam and a board cam. Good glide ratio too.
Cons
Pretty poor in wind- particularly a crosswind. Mine is on the heavier side compared to others I suspect. I wonder if the huge wing tips contribute to this?
Also it seems very prone to ground effect? There's a section I have been flying over a corn field recently- with a row of trees right next to it and if I get too low she appears far less stable- it's not waggle as such (although it looks a bit like it) but she seems far more twitchy only when I'm running her low.
Any ideas would be great thanks.
That's not ground effect. Was there any wind, and was it blowing from the other side of the trees? Sounds more like turbulent air from the trees.
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on July 22, 2015, 01:46:23 AM
How is everyone getting on with their Falcons?
I love mine :D It flies really well, I've had it out in a bit of a breeze and it was fine. I'm running a 2200kv motor and 6x5 prop, it can hit about 110kph or fly really slowly, it does get a bit bouncy when you give it the beans but cruises around beautifully. Mines a little nose heavy but doesn't seem to care.
I did have a bit of a head scratching moment on how to hold my YI cam in securely, I ended up 3d printing a box to hold it and hot glued it in, now it's super secure!!
I have been enjoying mine. I have achieved 30 mins flight time and a top speed of 100mph exactly. I have found that it doesnt do great in turbulance or gusty winds but is fine in constant winds. 4000mah multistar and 1800kv 7x5 prop.
How much does everyone's Falcon weigh? Worried mine is a little porky...
850g all up, 760g dry.
mine's 854g fully loaded
Mines almost exactly 1kg. It's carrying a vector, board cam, 4000maH multistar and Xaomi Yi camera.
TBH i would be happy if she was a bit heavier- she flies beautifully but still struggles with medium wind :(
Quote from: Hawkview on July 21, 2015, 09:49:57 PM
Anybody thought adding a pan servo to the fpv cam on a falcon evo or another wing? Is it worth doing?
I'm thinking about it to my falcon.
We have added a tilt to one of our Falcon Evo wings we are testing, moves both the FPV camera and the Mobius lens (on an
extension ribbon)
Works really well and does not interupt the airflow.
Quote from: FlipastRC on July 28, 2015, 05:11:38 PM
We have added a tilt to one of our Falcon Evo wings we are testing, moves both the FPV camera and the Mobius lens (on an
extension ribbon)
Works really well and does not interupt the airflow.
Do you have a picture I could look at? Please
Order placed! cant wait to join the party ;D
Nearly ready to rock, just need to sort the servo linkage and is good to go!
(http://s28.postimg.org/498slifm1/DSC_0114.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/498slifm1/)
(http://s28.postimg.org/p7eyjlfgp/DSC_0115.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/p7eyjlfgp/)
Looks awesome
But for the love of God strap that camera in!!!
I had my cam lodged in place initially too and lost my first xaiomi camera after flying inverted in my falcon- she flew inverted well and then suddenly pitched up whilst inverted. On landing she seemed to glide forever and I notoced there was no camera in there :( With hindsight she must have been fairly nose heavy initially.
She was in pretty snugly too I was really surprised she fell out! :(
I stupidly forgot to record with my dvr so have no accurate record of where the camera fell out. I was flying over a fenced off park full of deer too so no chance of retrieval unless I knew exactly where to look.
Second camera I have just glues a long thin strip of Velcro into the slot- half hook half loop and then, with the camera in place, I velcro the ends together and it's perfect.
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on July 22, 2015, 01:46:23 AM
How is everyone getting on with their Falcons?
I love mine- would be interested in feedback and peoples thoughts on the pros and cons. I'm running the eco power pack, a vector, and a 4000 multistar battery.
Pros
Small, compact, flies lovely when the CG is right. Mine carries a gopro sized cam and a board cam. Good glide ratio too.
Cons
Pretty poor in wind- particularly a crosswind. Mine is on the heavier side compared to others I suspect. I wonder if the huge wing tips contribute to this?
Also it seems very prone to ground effect? There's a section I have been flying over a corn field recently- with a row of trees right next to it and if I get too low she appears far less stable- it's not waggle as such (although it looks a bit like it) but she seems far more twitchy only when I'm running her low.
Any ideas would be great thanks.
I have mine with a 5200mah lipo (lengthways in the middle section) and my camera is tucked in. I've not had any issues really with cross wind ? I moved my wing-tips forward by about an inch (slightly less) and there is no tail wagging going on. Also ground effect wont really be affecting the wing till its mere inches off the ground. It might be a high gradient boundary layer your feeling. I've added some tabs on my control surfaces - helped for my flying style (which foamster described "flies it like he stole it").
If your CofG is too far back (just by a little) could be another reason.
Urm so conclusion. Try moving wingtips forward a bit ? cofg forward by a tiny fraction ? ... If not fly everything inverted - definitley give you something else to worry about ! :P
Just about to start my build this evening, where is the template for the servo position? I see the picture in the manual but printed at 100% on a4 its far too small.
there was a separate piece of paper in my box with the template on it... worked fine for me.
Damn I didn't get that, can any kind soul do a scan?
:( threw mine away after I'd used it :(
Not to worry I`m sure I can work it out
Yeah as long as they are the same each side it don't really matter. Just make sure they aren't to far away from the hinge line so your control rods reach!
Drop me an email to
[email protected] and I will email back pdf
Ta Rob
Thanks Rob.
Does an admin wanna remove my pointless posts?
Got mine last week from BlueFlyer. Was gonna wait till tomorrow to maiden her but couldn't wait. Just added the ezuhf 4ch lite and the immersion 600mw transmitter (not plugged in yet)
Put in a 2200 3s as thats all i seem to have these days lol, found an old lipo that happened to be the same size and weight as the hero3 and walked down the field.
first attempt and it just went :D apart from a little trimming its amazing :D
Did try and video it with the iphone sitting on the ground but it had fallen over so just have 8mins of grass lol
Thanks BlueFlyer i am a very happy little boy lol ;D
Quote from: Cato7 on August 18, 2015, 10:14:50 PM
Got mine last week from BlueFlyer. Was gonna wait till tomorrow to maiden her but couldn't wait. Just added the ezuhf 4ch lite and the immersion 600mw transmitter (not plugged in yet)
Put in a 2200 3s as thats all i seem to have these days lol, found an old lipo that happened to be the same size and weight as the hero3 and walked down the field.
first attempt and it just went :D apart from a little trimming its amazing :D
Did try and video it with the iphone sitting on the ground but it had fallen over so just have 8mins of grass lol
Thanks BlueFlyer i am a very happy little boy lol ;D
I'm just glad it will get to fly more often. The skyhunter takes up so much of my valuable flying time (especially now I can fly for an hour on one LiPo) the Falcon was being neglected, just sat there in the garage gathering dust.
just glad you painted it with bright colours lol
I couldn't wait to fly it this evening it was getting dark :)
Had my maiden flight this evening :)
Running a 1400kv with a 7x5 prop.
Launching with the wingtip lob didn't work so well for me, opted for the hold it underneath and chuck it like a dart method. I was on a steep bank with plenty of nice long grass to cushion my prangs!
In the air it was nice and stable, only needed a few tweaks on the trims. On a 3S 2200mah I got about 15 minutes on a gentle flight about 8-9 minutes gunning it. Its running an EZOSD at the moment but I`m thinking a storm osd with RTH is the way to go as it covers distance pretty quick and would like that added element of security, especially if I lose video etc.
This is my first plane build (2 days with a TekSumo doesn't count). The kit was great to build with well thought out instructions and advice from those nice chaps at Flyingwings
ta :D
nearly finished building my falcon any tips on cutting the runcam into the nose ?
was thinking of cutting it in with the holder and glueing the holder into position but still not sure ???
I also have a runcam 600tvl for flight to cut in, so looking for tips as my teksumo ended up in the recycling bin as i never managed to get it in the air :-(
bought some 50mm duck brand ultimate B & Q fiber tape its absolute SH%T sorry but it does not stick to anything so need to source some 25mm 3m from somewhere any suggestions ?
Also have purchased the APM MINI PRO so i can do rtl if I get carried away !
Banggood do an extension lead for the lens. I cut in a space for the camera and threaded the lead into the battery bay and then into the main area where the camera body is. I have the same tape and I found the only way was to laminate first and then tape where needed, flaps and making the nose stronger.
Quote from: Huxley on August 22, 2015, 12:01:33 PM
Banggood do an extension lead for the lens. I cut in a space for the camera and threaded the lead into the battery bay and then into the main area where the camera body is. I have the same tape and I found the only way was to laminate first and then tape where needed, flaps and making the nose stronger.
Awesome idea on the extension i noticed it recommends laminating the flaps for extra strength but thought that would be done after :-)
I laminated mine before and then used the heavy duty tape to secure them. Nice and secure.
Presenting the handy FFEFCDB ( Flyingwings Falcon EVO Flight controller Development board ) ...
nice hex :laugh:
(http://s29.postimg.org/dx129rsqr/Falcondevboard2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/dx129rsqr/)
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Going to use the Falcon to test out my Quantracker APM fork (http://github.com/kwikius/ardupilot/tree/quantracker_master)... Its perfect for the job!
regards
Andy
Neat Andy, very neat.
Can you just please confirm, is this an integrated APM and OSD on a single board or just APM currently?
Quote from: iPeel on September 01, 2015, 11:42:36 AM
Neat Andy, very neat.
Can you just please confirm, is this an integrated APM and OSD on a single board or just APM currently?
Hi mate,
It will be the APM and OSD combined. Not much point in doing it else except its programming at the hot metal rather than in mini unix so should be a bit speedier than PX4/Pixhawk to boot!
See https://github.com/kwikius/ardupilot/blob/quantracker_master/libraries/AP_HAL_Quan/AP_HAL_Quan_Main.h#L22 (https://github.com/kwikius/ardupilot/blob/quantracker_master/libraries/AP_HAL_Quan/AP_HAL_Quan_Main.h#L22)
the "Draw task" is the osd and the "APM task" is .. the APM :) Also got some working test apps in test subdir (https://github.com/kwikius/ardupilot/tree/quantracker_master/libraries/AP_HAL_Quan/test). All tests run with the Osd running.
Still got RC in, RC out and SPI APM HAL drivers to do but shouldnt be that hard. Obviously need to add the hardware.. , planning on a MPU6000 to start, external HMC5883 mag and some baro or other + GPS et al. 4x servo outputs 4 * ADC in, couple LEDs and maybe even some logging using Openlog..
Unfortunately got other business to attend to this week but hope to crack on with it ASAP !
regards
Andy
Looks cool, look forward to seeing some tests
Hiya Bruno..
Yes I'm looking forward to getting this contraption in the air .. If I can remember how to fly :laugh:
regards
Andy
I'm sure it's like riding a bike! So is this board comparable to a pix hawk but with the benifit of a built in osd.
Nice work Andy,
Such a nice compact unit too, can't wait to see results
Rob
Bruno,
The Pixhawk hardware is quite a high spec with redundant sensors and redundant power supply etc and 2 processors and several spare ports etc available, but its bloody massive and quite expensive. It is a very professional system though but that isnt what I want
The main tentative features of mine are
1) it runs the Ardupilot software with all that OpenSource software and hardware ecosystem like Pixhawk. The Ardupilot software runs on a lot of different hardware from 8 bit Arduino to Linux. I like that approach.
2) + Integrated OSD
3) + Telemetry via the video link
4) + Integrated Antenna Tracker support ( via the video link and/or other means Audio FrSky telemetry etc)
5) Audio output for Vario voice alerts etc
6) OSD can be customised. It all open ( You need to be a programmer of course, though one day it would be nice to have something like Python API which is a very easy language) The original Overlay was pretty boring, but there are quite a few Open source overlays out there and my goal would be just to grab one of them and plug it in.
Rob,
I cant wait to get this going. Just hope the new Falcon flies as well as my old non EVO one, which refuses to Die :laugh:
regards
Andy
Quote from: skyscraper on September 02, 2015, 09:32:20 AM
...my old non EVO one, which refuses to Die :laugh:
I can sort that out for you Andy!
Finally got the EVO which I bought from iwan_canobi fitted out and took it out to see what's what.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l46gpX6-_M#)
I love it. I flew a few 3s batteries through it before switching to the 4s. It's fun with either but obviously moar powarr is always better. Great wing.
Quote from: iPeel on September 02, 2015, 10:23:47 AM
I can sort that out for you Andy!
Thanks for your generous offer .. but I will probably need something to fly after the maiden of my Falcon EVO and my custom FC :laugh:
regards
Andy
Would putting tape of the holes on the leading edge of the winglets improve or hinder stability?
Quote from: Huxley on September 10, 2015, 08:37:24 PM
Would putting tape of the holes on the leading edge of the winglets improve or hinder stability?
I would say it would have no real effect at all. Saying that I have done this on the cloud horizon as part of my irrational war on inefficiency.
Gave it a try and to be honest I think the plane feels more locked in with the air going through the holes.
Incidentally for anyone needing more winglets get down to your local sign makers and beg for offcuts.
I made a template out of plasticard and have enough material to last me a while.
Maidened my new Falcon just now. Opted to remove all the fpv gear for the maiden and had a nice uneventful couple of flights. No doubt it will be a bit trickier with the added weight but will soon find out hopefully :laugh:
regards
Andy
Quote from: skyscraper on October 28, 2015, 05:09:48 PM
Maidened my new Falcon just now. Opted to remove all the fpv gear for the maiden and had a nice uneventful couple of flights. No doubt it will be a bit trickier with the added weight but will soon find out hopefully :laugh:
regards
Andy
What power system are you using? Im using their standard efficiency model and launching isn't too bad even with two batteries, autopilot and full fpv gear. Having said that, i do give it a damn good throw on full power.
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on October 28, 2015, 06:17:55 PM
What power system are you using? Im using their standard efficiency model and launching isn't too bad even with two batteries, autopilot and full fpv gear. Having said that, i do give it a damn good throw on full power.
I bought a 1750 kV 28 mm outrunner Emax? motor from Giantshark just before it went, A 3S 2200 battery and a 30 A Turnigy Plush ESC. APCE 7 x 5 prop. I reckon it should be OK with the weight. Its that first launch that is the worst and I'm over that. :)
As for batteries, I just try to make sure everything works with 2200 3S, then I dont have to keep buying batteries..
Hope to use em in my Aether too !
regards
Andy
Quote from: skyscraper on October 29, 2015, 10:36:01 AM
I bought a 1750 kV 28 mm outrunner Emax? motor from Giantshark just before it went, A 3S 2200 battery and a 30 A Turnigy Plush ESC. APCE 7 x 5 prop. I reckon it should be OK with the weight. Its that first launch that is the worst and I'm over that. :)
As for batteries, I just try to make sure everything works with 2200 3S, then I dont have to keep buying batteries..
Hope to use em in my Aether too !
regards
Andy
Sounds good- should be pretty nippy!
Provided it has plenty of power on launch, do consider flying with two 2200 in parallel to give super long range and 4400 :) Put the second battery as far back as poss so it wont affect CG much.
Ready to go with the OSD and Custom ArduPlane software ...
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Maiden Tomorrow I hope :)
regards
Andy
Well your certainly not going to loose that!
Tell me that's just the white balance on your camera being waaay off Andy?!
It is quite gay I guess. :laugh:
regards
Andy
HeHe .. OSD flies.. I got a video, but with my 25 mW Gear and no tracker yet its pretty patchy video so will edit the crap bits before posting .. but It Flies :)
Good old Falcon flies a treat too, even though the wing seems a bit warped, but that is prob my building :laugh:
regards
Andy
Good news!
One small step for mankind but a Giant Leap for Andy :
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU-V8o-kjuI#)
regards
Andy
Got mine part build now that the bits have finally arrived :D
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Looking good. What are your plans for this speed and fun or distance?
Nice Adam, planning on keeping it under 1kg? ;)
Quote from: Huxley on November 19, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
Looking good. What are your plans for this speed and fun or distance?
This is definitely for close range fast fun :D I went for the 'Sports' power option on this one, so no duration or distance \0/
Quote from: iPeel on November 19, 2015, 09:49:07 AM
Nice Adam, planning on keeping it under 1kg? ;)
Haha yeah! No way am i registering this thing :laugh:
Here is a shot of my FalconEVO Flying Dev board. It is perfect for the job!
Loads of space and easy access to everything...
(http://s16.postimg.org/g62rigyxt/Falcon_EVO_dev_board.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/g62rigyxt/)
regards
Andy
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Few little upgrades new colours and now with libre pilot revo fitted and running, new hitec mg servos, new motor,
Next to fit my 26 quid black friday deal ;D immersionrc ezuhf
Recently made a few changes to my venturi evo. Firstly I've added a ET vector! I've also cut some of the front off to make it a bit more streamlined, but mainly to get the front out of my Möbius video which sits on the canopy.
Today my partner kindly painted some warbird-esque teeth on the front so now I think it's looking pretty awesome!
(http://s12.postimg.org/k00l1aje1/IMG_20160318_175844_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/k00l1aje1/)
Finished Ma latest Falcon evo. With push rod tubing jobbies for control - aero is everything :p
Folding 8 by 6 prop, little bee 20 amp 1100kv 28xx motor. Savox metal gear servos :)
Oh and plastidipped the center section, I've seen Sweepwings do this so was curious, does make mounting bits slightly easier but has helped especially on the cover flap, making it more rubbery and less likely to tear.
Flies great, glides for dayzzz . pushed the winglets as far forward as i dare.
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Hi Folks,
I have built a new Falcon EVO!
I did try to maiden it on Tuesday but I made a small error in my set-up and crashed very quickly...
I need a repair kit!
Anyway, I'll post some pic's later and hope to get out on Saturday for a proper maiden!
Thanks to Rob..... :)
I was all set to retire mine and rob a few bits for my mini talon build but I had a great dusk flight with it last night that changed my mind. Hundreds of feet up seeing all the lights coming on everywhere and then rolling all the way down to shoot through the goal posts two feet off the deck. Brilliant plane.
Quote from: Loopdreams on September 08, 2016, 01:59:34 PM
I was all set to retire mine and rob a few bits for my mini talon build but I had a great dusk flight with it last night that changed my mind. Hundreds of feet up seeing all the lights coming on everywhere and then rolling all the way down to shoot through the goal posts two feet off the deck. Brilliant plane.
Sounds awesome! I can't wait to get up there...
Why are some people moving the winglets forward?
Broken a winglet, got some replacement plastic going to make some new ones, thinking of making the leading edge go past the wing if it makes the wing fly better if that why people are moving them?
There is an aero reason for it.
Think it's to do with air travelling sideways along the leading edge instead of over the wing. Having the winglets forward catches that air and forces over the wing.
Quote from: Brucey on September 08, 2016, 06:46:13 PM
There is an aero reason for it.
Think it's to do with air travelling sideways along the leading edge instead of over the wing. Having the winglets forward catches that air and forces over the wing.
This is my understanding too. Maximises lift. For the same reason you have winglets on in the first place, you put them 1cm in front of the leading edge.
Ok, I was going out today but mother nature has turned her taps on... it might clear up later but...
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Wow!
I just got back from the proper maiden! WOW! This thing flies so well!
s...I was mostly just cruising around at a little under half throttle but pack 1 gave me about 27 minutes with 35% left in it and pack 2 gave me 22 minutes with 45% left... Love it!
I'm not much of a sports flier but this wing can handle it all!
Rob was on hand to nurse me through the maiden (I don't like 1st flights!)
In fact he took it up 1st and got it trimmed nicely, landed and I took it for a spin!
And the paint looks really nice in the air! shame nobody thought about taking pictures...
This is a shot of the underside!
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A massive thanks to Rob for not only a great wing, but also, the time he has given me to help out!
Glad it went without drama. Sounds a cracking wing to be fair.
I do have heaps of expo on it but I intend to use this to start of my FPV.
I've had a big FPV wing, camera and all the video stuff I need (screen but no goggles) for ages and my big wing has got a new AP...
I just need to get on with it....
I've been flying the Falcon Evo since the spring, and love it. I built mine with a Mini APM thats proved problematic due to those damn JST connectors. The FC it's self works amazing in FBW mode as you can see in the following vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdP2Pn9m60c. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdP2Pn9m60c.) I've recently fitted an APM Pro as this is a Mini APM with standard pins however it seems there are some differences in the hardware. I thought I could just export / import the settings however this has proved to be troublesome so I've reset the board and have set it up from scratch again. Yet to fly so I hope it's ok.
Quote from: Fr3nzy on September 15, 2016, 12:57:58 PM
I've been flying the Falcon Evo since the spring, and love it. I built mine with a Mini APM thats proved problematic due to those damn JST connectors. The FC it's self works amazing in FBW mode as you can see in the following vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdP2Pn9m60c. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdP2Pn9m60c.) I've recently fitted an APM Pro as this is a Mini APM with standard pins however it seems there are some differences in the hardware. I thought I could just export / import the settings however this has proved to be troublesome so I've reset the board and have set it up from scratch again. Yet to fly so I hope it's ok.
Good luck with your Falcon.... and the APM....
I have found with APM's and Pixhawks, NOTHING is standard! Lol...
Great little AP when it works....
I'v been for a fly tonight with my Falcon and had such a great time... I got 32 minutes out of one pack and I'm loving it...
So Glad I went to see Rob! :D
I do have a camera on board but I absolutely NEED better antennas!!!!
Back to Rob I go! ;)
Also going to get a diversity VRX....
This was my first go at FPV and on the screen, with a crappy camera and dodgy video reception, HOLY COW! Thing are VERY different up there! :o ;D :o ;D
I was having so much fun with the Falcon, I forgot I had another plane in the car and it got dark!
Tomorrow's another day.... :)
Killer dave- there's a lot to be said for a simple set up. Decent antennas are always a good idea but a lot of diversity systems are rarely used imo and often add complexity and bulk.
Generally a good pair of skews is enough a lot of the time- or a very directional antenna and you just fly in front of!
Avoid APM Pro's tried two now and they're both the same. I'm going to go back to the Mini APM which always worked flawlessly.
Quote from: Fr3nzy on September 21, 2016, 10:41:24 AM
Avoid APM Pro's tried two now and they're both the same. I'm going to go back to the Mini APM which always worked flawlessly.
I'm not going to put a controller into this plane but if I was, I'd go for the MFD unit.
I am getting the MFD OSD board though...
Ok... I need to calm down...
I have to give a massive thanks to Rob from Flyingwings!
Not only did he come out to help me set up my MFD in another plane (ended badly)
He helped me as a spotter on my very first proper FPV flights! OMFG!!!!!!!!
Ok, It was very windy and flying my Falcon on the screen was a hoot but then.....
My Rob put his goggles on me and now I NEED some!!!!
He also let me have a very short flight of his Hornet racer.... It was VERY short! Lol...
I absolutely loved it today even though I came home with a broken plane, this day is a good one!
Thank you Rob....
I'll see you on pay day! ;)
Cheers Dave
No problem, Have you got the FX fixed yet ?
Next time you launch, a bit more air speed, as I said wings smell fear !
Ta Rob
Quote from: foamster on September 25, 2016, 06:20:17 PM
Cheers Dave
No problem, Have you got the FX fixed yet ?
Next time you launch, a bit more air speed, as I said wings smell fear !
Ta Rob
Yes, the wing joint is fixed and I also had to change the control horn on that side...
I have ordered a new prop too...
The flight cam was off it's mount too, also fixed...
I am now looking for some goggles, I told my wife it's your fault! ;)
Quote from: KillerDave on September 24, 2016, 01:23:12 PM
I have to give a massive thanks to Rob from Flyingwings!
Rob put his goggles on me and now I NEED some!!!!
I absolutely loved it today
Hee hee hee welcome to the adiction ....
IMO its not real FPV without goggles - looking at a screen compared to using goggles is like the difference between watching a Halle Berry movie, and taking her out on a date...
I would never use a screen, just not the same...
IMO
;D
Quote from: Dillwhacker on September 25, 2016, 11:34:24 PM
Hee hee hee welcome to the adiction ....
IMO its not real FPV without goggles - looking at a screen compared to using goggles is like the difference between watching a Halle Berry movie, and taking her out on a date...
I would never use a screen, just not the same...
IMO
;D
Lol... I have a funny story about Halle Berry... Maybe for another time....
I was using a screen because I still wanted to be able to look at the plane from time to time...
Once Robe put the goggles on me... that was it!
Sooner have a large high res backlit screen than two tiny low res ones the size of my eyeballs that I cant see text on.......lol..
I cant wear goggles, thats the reality...:)....I do like my Monitor though, and the bottom line is its what you get used to...I would not like to fly a Multi Rotor on a Monitor though...
Goggles are way overpriced for what they are, no question.
Horses for courses...:)
:vulture:
Quote from: English Turbines on September 26, 2016, 08:11:25 AM
Sooner have a large high res backlit screen than two tiny low res ones the size of my eyeballs that I cant see text on.......lol..
I cant wear goggles, thats the reality...:)....I do like my Monitor though, and the bottom line is its what you get used to...I would not like to fly a Multi Rotor on a Monitor though...
Goggles are way overpriced for what they are, no question.
Horses for courses...:)
I hear that ET,
The flights I had were with no OSD so that will be interesting....
Before I buy, I think I'm gonna get the MFD Telefly OSD into my wing and give the goggles a go again... if that would be ok with Rob??? ;)
What am I thinking??? I have a MFD AP in my FX-79... I could have a look at it through that....???
Still getting a Telefly though...
Yes, goggles are pricey but I have had a good look to see how and where I want to go with it...
1, I like the idea of a big screen but with a big screen, you will almost always have issues with light...
2, Goggles do offer cutting out the light and putting the screen/s right there in front with no reflections to worry about.
3, Goggles with a single, larger screen.... an option but the seem gig and balky... and NOT COOL LOOKING! lol...
It seems, that if I was to go for goggles, FS Dominator V2/3 are the best and most trusted out there???
They are up there in cost.... but there is one set that does catch my eye....
Fatshark Domintaor SE...
1, Larger field of view but at the expense of a lower resolution.
2, They are at a price point that I can swallow.
3, They look cool as Fook! and.... the have onboard DVR, vent fan adjustable IPD, and they look cool! :D
My wife was like "but you can get some for £100!" yeah, you can gut it's the difference between a pizza from Dom's or one from Papa John's... you do get what you pay for....
Pricey, yes but I do think the SE's are the balance point...
:vulture:
Se's are cool I got a pair last week, can't believe how much better they are than my predator v2's and the DVD means I still have footage of me binning the Gemini flat out into the ground. I lost the sd card from the möbius but the goggles recorded it for me😎
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Quote from: stevec on September 26, 2016, 04:26:20 PM
Se's are cool I got a pair last week, can't believe how much better they are than my predator v2's and the DVD means I still have footage of me binning the Gemini flat out into the ground. I lost the sd card from the möbius but the goggles recorded it for me😎
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Nice! I don't have much to compare them too (if I do get them) but from what I see on-line, They look like they are set between the Dominator V2 and the V3???
I feel the DVR is a big plus in fact, the feature list is great... not that I'm planning of driving anything into the ground! ;-)
It amused me that the word "cool" is ever applied to anything even remotely related to fpv. Sitting in a field with some big goggles on most certainly not cool!!
Back on subject- I too much prefer goggles. far more immersive. But I would urge the OP to try the HK quantum goggles. They may be lower resolution but they are much much cheaper and the larger screen indeed makes them more immersive. The very best video goggles are great b8t the budget ones are jo better than the HK ones IME
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on September 26, 2016, 05:27:51 PM
It amused me that the word "cool" is ever applied to anything even remotely related to fpv. Sitting in a field with some big goggles on most certainly not cool!!
Back on subject- I too much prefer goggles. far more immersive. But I would urge the OP to try the HK quantum goggles. They may be lower resolution but they are much much cheaper and the larger screen indeed makes them more immersive. The very best video goggles are great b8t the budget ones are jo better than the HK ones IME
I get what you are saying and I did consider the Quantums plus others that are along the same sort of design.
I even thought about building some and maybe 3d printing too but...
I kept saying to myself... those things are huge! clunky, bits hanging off them... I do like the single big screen but if I was to pro/con the question... the only con for the Dom'SEs is the price and even then, they are not so much...
And yes... They are COOL!
its still worth getting a pair of the quantums imo. Always good to have a spare pair for friends or if your other ones break.
The only real advantage the fat sharks have over other options are the tidy video Rx built in imo.
I don't have a single friend who considers anything about rc cool. I don't care. But they are right. At least we are above the train spotters in the pecking order!
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on September 26, 2016, 07:36:54 PM
its still worth getting a pair of the quantums imo. Always good to have a spare pair for friends or if your other ones break.
The only real advantage the fat sharks have over other options are the tidy video Rx built in imo.
I don't have a single friend who considers anything about rc cool. I don't care. But they are right. At least we are above the train spotters in the pecking order!
Are you kidding????
All of my friends this all things RC is cool... actually... I have no friends... Will you be my friend? Lol....
I guess this will always be a matter of opinion and a very subjective matter...
"One guys junk is another guys treasure"
We'll see.... I still wanna have a go with my OSD...
I also thought about building a large screen ground station.... too much....
Quote from: KillerDave on September 26, 2016, 08:27:17 PM
Are you kidding????
All of my friends this all things RC is cool... actually... I have no friends... Will you be my friend? Lol....
I guess this will always be a matter of opinion and a very subjective matter...
"One guys junk is another guys treasure"
We'll see.... I still wanna have a go with my OSD...
I also thought about building a large screen ground station.... too much....
Killer Dave....I use an LED Backlit 7 inch Monitor....Its so bright you can see the image in direct sunlight, even without the Sunshade on.
Note, thats a backlit display, not a TFT display....totally different.
The Monitor is dual reciever real diversity with numeric RSSI... £120....Whats not to like...?
If you have never seen one, I suggest you do...
:vulture:
Quote from: KillerDave on September 26, 2016, 08:27:17 PM
Are you kidding????
All of my friends this all things RC is cool... actually... I have no friends... Will you be my friend? Lol....
I guess this will always be a matter of opinion and a very subjective matter...
"One guys junk is another guys treasure"
We'll see.... I still wanna have a go with my OSD...
I also thought about building a large screen ground station.... too much....
Absolutely have a go. it's a hoot. just not cool :D
The ground station thing was big a few years ago. More and more elaborate designs with dozens of features all looking very professional in peli cases.
Now people realise small and simple is best- take it anywhere and be ready to rock in seconds!
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on September 26, 2016, 10:58:12 PM
Now people realise small and simple is best- take it anywhere and be ready to rock in seconds!
That's another plus for smaller goggles...
I did think of building a secondary ground station, just in case the goggles died..???
Anyway.... All this talk about goggles is taking this thread way off topic....
I will be taking the Falcon out again today, just LOS but it's all good!
I say "just LOS".. this thing's great!, I am loving it! ;D
Quote from: KillerDave on September 27, 2016, 07:31:29 AM
That's another plus for smaller goggles...
I did think of building a secondary ground station, just in case the goggles died..???
Anyway.... All this talk about goggles is taking this thread way off topic....
I will be taking the Falcon out again today, just LOS but it's all good!
I say "just LOS".. this thing's great!, I am loving it! ;D
The decent dvrs have a screen on them too. As a backup you can fly whilst viewing the small screen.
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on September 27, 2016, 09:27:51 AM
The decent dvrs have a screen on them too. As a backup you can fly whilst viewing the small screen.
The SE's have a DVR built in!
Quote from: KillerDave on September 27, 2016, 01:06:52 PM
The SE's have a DVR built in!
That's true it's a big advantage of them for sure. But if the battery dies you're doubly screwed ;)
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on September 27, 2016, 04:55:20 PM
That's true it's a big advantage of them for sure. But if the battery dies you're doubly screwed ;)
That is a concern!
Hello chaps, I'm in the middle of building a falcon evo. :)
Just wondering how you keep your hd camera(a xiaomi yi in this case) safe in the front? Bit wary about digging out more foam for a strap.
Quote from: grizor on October 01, 2016, 12:20:41 PM
Hello chaps, I'm in the middle of building a falcon evo. :)
Just wondering how you keep your hd camera(a xiaomi yi in this case) safe in the front? Bit wary about digging out more foam for a strap.
IMO, I wouldn't bother with such a big camera...
I have a simple board cam and plane to record on a DVR....
You can get very small DVR's that could be fitted to the plane and would have very little weight to consider.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-HMDVR-Mini-Digital-Video-Recorder-30fps-for-FPV-Drones-Quadcopter-QAV250/282029274148?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D39068%26meid%3D88c31686547e4d5cb99eb23ee6c93808%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D18%26sd%3D252551228291 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-HMDVR-Mini-Digital-Video-Recorder-30fps-for-FPV-Drones-Quadcopter-QAV250/282029274148?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D39068%26meid%3D88c31686547e4d5cb99eb23ee6c93808%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D18%26sd%3D252551228291)
I hope this helps... :)
Quote from: grizor on October 01, 2016, 12:20:41 PM
Hello chaps, I'm in the middle of building a falcon evo. :)
Just wondering how you keep your hd camera(a xiaomi yi in this case) safe in the front? Bit wary about digging out more foam for a strap.
I ran that exact same setup it worked great. Nothing like HD footage and the falcon can easily carry it.
I got a strip of Velcro and glued it in so it folded and attached directly over the top. I did this after losing one from flying inverted! Would very strongly suggest you do the same.
I've got a Velcro strap that goes right through the correx sheet at the bottom and round.
Quote from: KillerDave on October 01, 2016, 12:39:27 PM
IMO, I wouldn't bother with such a big camera...
Noted, I've been flying a bonsai fpv for a while and want the glory of hi def footage for this one! ;D
A strap or some velcro seem like the best options. Thanks for the tips.
Ok, I dodged a bullet today...
Flying my Falcon and having a great time.... I flew to the end of the field at about and the Falcon turned over on it's back and disappeared! I did the walk of shame and I couldn't see it....
Found it on it's back on the other side of the trees with on damage at all... apart from my ego!
Anyway... I've check the plane over and see no reason for anything to go wrong???
Everything seems to work???
Note to self... Keep it over the field!
Quote from: grizor on October 01, 2016, 12:20:41 PM
Hello chaps, I'm in the middle of building a falcon evo. :)
Just wondering how you keep your hd camera(a xiaomi yi in this case) safe in the front? Bit wary about digging out more foam for a strap.
I dug out a slot for the YI, and coated the inside with hot glue. This provides a. Ice grippy surface for the camera so it won't fall out.
Quote from: Fr3nzy on October 04, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
I dug out a slot for the YI, and coated the inside with hot glue. This provides a. Ice grippy surface for the camera so it won't fall out.
Yes it will ;)
It will if you crash :laugh: This happened on mine and I had a velcro strap on it too
Quote from: Fr3nzy on October 04, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
I dug out a slot for the YI, and coated the inside with hot glue. This provides a. Ice grippy surface for the camera so it won't fall out.
Love the orange covering , won't lose that in a hurry!
Quote from: AdamG on October 05, 2016, 03:37:20 PM
It will if you crash :laugh: This happened on mine and I had a velcro strap on it too
It fell from 80meters up when I had a receiver lock out and it circled in RTL for 45 mins. Eventually after the battery died it crashed into a corn field and the camera didn't come out. It's quite a tight fit. A strap will help but if you crash one of these you've generally got bigger problems.
Quote from: grizor on October 05, 2016, 08:30:44 PM
Love the orange covering , won't lose that in a hurry!
It's actually Halfords Flourecent Orange paint and laminated over. It does look a bit tired now lol
Quote from: Fr3nzy on October 06, 2016, 10:42:43 AM
A strap will help but if you crash one of these you've generally got bigger problems.
This is how mine looked after a 101kmph crash... my biggest problem was that the GoPro had been ejected in long grass
(https://s17.postimg.org/tez592y17/wing.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/tez592y17/)
Your vtx appears to be missing there ;D ouch!
Quote from: grizor on October 07, 2016, 05:14:31 PM
Your vtx appears to be missing there ;D ouch!
Yeah it got ripped off by an angry tree... this was the cause of the crash :P
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1vbZl-P1PQ#)
Quote from: AdamG on October 07, 2016, 06:47:34 PM
Yeah it got ripped off by an angry tree... this was the cause of the crash :P
Great vid. Curious as to what your falcon weighs with the gopro & 4000mah battery?
Thanks :) It weighs close to 1kg, just a little over. Great because it will do 70mph on 3S and pull a maximum of around 22 amps. Downside is its not great in windy conditions.
I maidened mine today. Interesting 2nd battery as the prop flew off. :laugh: Forgot to tighten the adapter!!!
Took the Falcon and my FX-79 to the field this evening and it was good and bad...
It's a beautiful sky so I thought I would give the Falcon 20 minutes and then see if I could catch the sun setting with the FX....
Of course the Falcon flew flawlessly but I just don't think the FX wants to fly! Broke a control horn! Bloody thing!
Loving the falcon though! Can't wait for the goggles to come!
Here's a quick vid' from tonight's fun in the sun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZvoKhY8rGQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZvoKhY8rGQ)
Sorry, I dodn't know what happened to the sound???
Mine had a fight with a bixler and sort of won. Wing came off and spar snapped making a bit of a mess of the left wing though. I think the bixler came off worse... ;D Nothing some glue can't fix!
(https://s11.postimg.org/fzsr894kf/MQeh_Mar.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/fzsr894kf/)
(https://s11.postimg.org/qb540ww9r/h7_NOTk_D.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/qb540ww9r/)
Quick vid: https://gfycat.com/MajesticSpicyGermanwirehairedpointer
Oh no! That really sucks!
It looks ok apart from the fact it would be a pain to get the old spar out!
Have you thought about how to do that?
How about getting a thin walled brass tube that will be a nice fit over the spar, sharpen the edge and use that like a circular saw????
That should work???
As the original spar is hollow i used another piece of thinner cf rod and glued it into the centre of both broken pieces. Should be strong enough as long as it doesn't hit another wild bixler ;D
There was major stress cracks in the wing where the spar was yanked out but it's all glued back together nicely. Will have to relaminate most of it though. Ah well.
Quote from: grizor on October 31, 2016, 11:32:05 AM
As the original spar is hollow i used another piece of thinner cf rod and glued it into the centre of both broken pieces. Should be strong enough as long as it doesn't hit another wild bixler ;D
There was major stress cracks in the wing where the spar was yanked out but it's all glued back together nicely. Will have to relaminate most of it though. Ah well.
I lost orientation of mine on Thursday and it went in a full speed!, split the side off up to the spar and smashed the ply bulkhead behind the battery.... Flying again on Friday! :-)
They are tough buggers!
I had a very quick flight the other morning... I'm loving it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7jYyGyoaYE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7jYyGyoaYE)
Can't wait to get some real time behind the goggles!
Nice flight Killer Dave. Great fund plane isn't it!
Is anyone running their Falcon on 4S? I'm after recommendations for an appropriate motor that can take 4S to try on the Falcon \0/
I have some Nanotech 1800 4S and they are almost exactly the same size and weight as the Multistar 4000 3S, so I thought it would be fun to turn this thing into a speed machine \0/ (some might not say this is the best ideas as my last flight resulted in a crash :laugh: )
My falcon was 4s. Can't remember what motor I had on it, some NTM screamer. Not much help other than encouragement to do it!
Ah mate would you have it recorded anywhere? Wuld be useful to know. Hard to find a motor same size as the one im using that will take 4S
Hmm, I'll see what I can find. The falcon is in my dads loft so I can't check
Not sure what size the falcon is, but I've just specced out a motor for a 49 inch wing and I've gone for the turnigy sk3 3536 1200kv with 8x6 and 60A speed controller. Icalc says it should result in fun! Might be a bit big for the falcon but worth considering.
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My Falcon runs 4S, I've got an NTM 2836 1800kv. With a 7" prop it's just over 40A.
Cheers. What kind of speeds are you reaching with that setup?
Hi guys.
I'm new to the site but not RC itself. I found my way here while looking to get into fixed wing FPV - I've owned a flyingwings Raven for years and just recently dusted it off again after getting into FPV Quads.
I bought a Falcon EVO and it turned up this morning so I'm just starting to put it together. Do you know if it is safe to paint the entire side balsa parts, or just the bits that the wings wont glue to?
Also, what sort of paint is safe to use on the foam? I painted my Raven with Acrylic paint originally, but it wasn't laminated at all (unlike this wing) and I'm worried that whatever paint I use might stop the Lam from adhering properly.
Thanks.
Several light coats of wilko's own enamel spray paint will be fine. The supplied laminate adhered just fine.
I painted the ply side parts and had no issues with the wings gluing on afterwards. I used UHU Por for the flat-to-flat parts, then beads of hotglue around the corner seams.
I painted mine with Halfords acrylic and masked off where things get glued...
Turned out really well!
I was very nervous about laminating it as I was a Lam virgin but it turned out great! ;)
Laminating and painting are both things people worry about before they've done it, but in reality are quite easy.
I used any old spray paint from local DIY shop on both the balsa and foam. No problems. Laminated over it too.
Agree, I just went for it and I think it turned out nice! :D
Thanks for the advice guys. I'm a little less nervous about painting it now!
Is it best to paint and laminate the wings before fixing? I'm going for an all black paint job with Orange vinyl highlights (I have a vinyl cutter for my business so is easy for me to do).
Here's a mock-up picture.
I just hope my motor, esc and airspeed meter turn up so I can get this flying - I cant wait :)
I would assemble and paint the centre section, then laminate it (not the ply sides though lol)
Then prepare your wings (servo holes etc), paint them, then laminate them... then glue it all together. I found I had to cut slits into the laminated wing to get the spars in, but then I just laminated over the slits with strips of laminate film.
Here's how I did it...
Paint all parts having masked off the areas where it's glued.
Lam' the wings and the hatch and nose sections, don't be scared of giving it some heat be do be careful of leading and trailing edges and keep on the move!!!
Assemble the wing as per instructions and there you go!
Go flying! :-)
So instead of moving the winglets forward ;D I made some bigger ones
(https://s24.postimg.org/wy82rnedd/IMG_20170102_162422.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/wy82rnedd/)
Hey guys, bought a Falcon Evo last week, hopefully gets posted tomorrow but anyway have some questions (some might seem stupid haha) since its my first big'ish EPP plane, and first model I'll be painting and laminating
Whats best glue to use on this? from research I've done it seems like theres loads of options
Gorilla epoxy
HK epoxy (too brittle and goes yellow it seems)
Evo Stik epoxy
Goop
E6000
hot glue (too brittle maybe?)
For the elevons I was going to use some fibre tape however I noticed a few people recommended the Scotch/3M packaging tape (which is nice and clear), however it seems pretty weak to me and not very sticky so not sure if they've changed that or not, noticed theres a heavy duty version and also Gorilla sell a tape too, should I pick some of that up instead ?
Finally will it be ok to cut out the sections I need, laminate then fit the electrics ?
Sync- the instructions that come with it are pretty clear but FYI
I used Uhu por. Flying wings sell it 1 tube will do- call them and they can add it to your order. I used hot glue for some of the visible joins. I used cheap CAA/superglue for the wooden sections.
The elevon tape is never under any real stress. Any clear tape will do.mthe scotch stuff will degrade in UV. You want a fairly thin tape to create the join. A thick tape will be worse.
Yes cut your holes and channels etc first then glue then laminate then install electronics.
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on February 13, 2017, 11:58:41 PM
Sync- the instructions that come with it are pretty clear but FYI
I used Uhu por. Flying wings sell it 1 tube will do- call them and they can add it to your order. I used hot glue for some of the visible joins. I used cheap CAA/superglue for the wooden sections.
The elevon tape is never under any real stress. Any clear tape will do.mthe scotch stuff will degrade in UV. You want a fairly thin tape to create the join. A thick tape will be worse.
Yes cut your holes and channels etc first then glue then laminate then install electronics.
Thanks man, I used UHU Por on other planes, but when I tried it on a smaller 600mm EPP wing it didn't create such a good bond, thats why I was bit worried about using it on something like the Evo, and OK, thought the scotch tape be UV resistant but I'll keep a eye on tape for sure
I've only built a Venturi, but assume they are similar.
Everyone has their own way. Personally I put electronics in wings before laminating, then laminated over. I actually laminated the elevons onto the wing. It went surprisingly well.
Just giving you an alternative.
sj
Sadly my Falcon EVO met its end, 1 crash too many, wing came off mid flight and it's going in the bin.
Anything on this any use to anyone before I bin it? Reason its going in the bin is the spar snapped where the wing came off. Rest of it is ok
(https://s8.postimg.org/4yf0a5s69/IMG_1250.JPG.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/4yf0a5s69/)
(https://s8.postimg.org/p76z9mgv5/IMG_1295.JPG.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/p76z9mgv5/)
(https://s8.postimg.org/3ytas72e9/IMG_1296.JPG.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/3ytas72e9/)
I feel your pain... I really do, as I have also snapped my Falcon in half!
I think I'll just get another one....