The IAA is introducing mandatory registration of all drones over 1kg, effective from 21 Dec. Must be to catch the Christmas present list i suppose. No details yet but these will be published during December by the IAA.
https://www.iaa.ie/Remote-Piloted-Aircraft-Systems (https://www.iaa.ie/Remote-Piloted-Aircraft-Systems)
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/drone-register-features-app-detailing-permitted-flying-areas-1.2422081 (http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/drone-register-features-app-detailing-permitted-flying-areas-1.2422081)
The net tightens?
The IAA have introduced drone registration as of today.
The weight limit is higher than the FAA, at 1kg.
The age limit too is higher, at 16y.o.
The fee is described as minimal, whatever that amounts to.
http://www.iaa.ie/news/2015/12/17/drone-registration-to-commence-on-21st-december-2015 (http://www.iaa.ie/news/2015/12/17/drone-registration-to-commence-on-21st-december-2015)
http://www.iaa.ie/general-aviation/drones (http://www.iaa.ie/general-aviation/drones)
http://www.iaa.ie/general-aviation/drones/drone-registration (http://www.iaa.ie/general-aviation/drones/drone-registration)
The new legislation prohibits users from operating their drones in an unsafe manner. This includes never operating a drone:
- if it will be a hazard to another aircraft in flight
- over an assembly of people
- farther than 300m from the operator
- within 120m of any person, vessel or structure not under the operator's control
- closer than 5km from an aerodrome
- in a negligent or reckless manner so as to endanger life or property of others
- over 400ft (120m) above ground level
- over urban areas
- in civil or military controlled airspace
- in restricted areas (e.g. military installations, prisons, etc.)
- unless the operator has permission from the landowner for takeoff and landing
And in addition there are two further regulations until things settle down :
- pilots must wear a donkey jacket at all times and have a bottle of Guiness handy
- Ryanair is not permitted to start drone operations for the carriage of leprechauns
This brings uo to the Scottish regulation
- you will have to pay to register your drone
which should be sufficient to kill drone flying up there :laugh:
regards
Andy
In practise though there will surely be a new interest in "drones" under 1kg in Ireland.
regards
Andy
Quote from: skyscraper on December 21, 2015, 05:45:11 PM
This brings uo to the Scottish regulation
- you will have to pay to register your drone
which should be sufficient to kill drone flying up there :laugh:
regards
Andy
JIST YOU WAIT.
:facepalm: this is getting out of hand
Seems to me that the regulation is not really saying anything more than is already outlined by the caa rules.
All it does is reinforce what the rules are.
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They're penalising the very people who adhere to the rules in the first place. It's lazy enforcement. "We can't find you, so you need to let us know who you are".
2016 could very well be the last year we're able to enjoy FPV as it is now - wouldn't surprise me one bit if the CAA felt that they had a green light to implement something similar. There's certainly government support for such a system.
As per http://www.fpvhub.com/index.php/topic,47716.msg235504/topicseen.html#new (http://www.fpvhub.com/index.php/topic,47716.msg235504/topicseen.html#new)
It wouldn't suprise me if the BMFA jump on the band wagon....
Feck, that's not just for FPV that's for all model aircraft even free flight, slope soarers etc. The flight pack for my My Twin Dream weighs more than a kilo.
http://www.iaa.ie/docs/default-source/drones-questions-and-answers.pdf?sfvrsn=2
So if I want to take any of my fleet with me when I take my caravan to Ireland I have to pre register it with the IAA.
I particularly like the I've Lost a Drone and I've Found a Drone Forms.
I think I'll hold off buying anymore FPV kit for now.
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We could always have a "fight club" style attitude :)
Whatisprohibitedregardingtheoperationofdrones?The Small Unmanned Aircraft (Drones) and Rockets Order, 2015 (SI 563 of 2015) contains a number of limitations for the operation of drones. These include never operating a drone:• if it will be a hazard to another aircraft in flight• over an assembly of people• farther than 300m from the person operating the drone• within 120m of any person, vessel or structure not under the control of the personoperating the drone• closer than 5km from an aerodrome• in a negligent or reckless manner so as to endanger life or property of others• over 400ft (120m) above ground level• over urban areas• in civil or military controlled airspace• in restricted areas (e.g. military installations, prisons, etc.)• unless the person operating the drone has permission from the landowner for take-off andlanding.
See that bit about no closer than 5k from an aerodrome? If that came here it would put an immediate stop on 9 local flying clubs that operate locally, 3 I belong to.
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QuoteI think I'll hold off buying anymore FPV kit for now.
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Quote from: Gundummy on December 22, 2015, 08:49:41 AM
As per http://www.fpvhub.com/index.php/topic,47716.msg235504/topicseen.html#new (http://www.fpvhub.com/index.php/topic,47716.msg235504/topicseen.html#new)
It wouldn't suprise me if the BMFA jump on the band wagon....
The BMFA doesn't regulate model flying in the UK. It is simply one of a number of CAA recognised model flying associations.
Quote from: BigT on December 22, 2015, 09:41:48 AM
See that bit about no closer than 5k from an aerodrome? If that came here it would put an immediate stop on 9 local flying clubs that operate locally, 3 I belong to.
Whilst the UK does not have such a blanket restriction you might be surprised to know that model flying should not take place within controlled airspace without permission.
CAP658 Chapter 5.3
Air Traffic Control and Controlled Airspace
Before flying within controlled airspace or an ATZ
• Obtain permission from the appropriate air traffic control unit.
That doesn't mean of course that model flying can't take place, but restrictions may exist, for instance height, if controlled airspace starts at say 2000 ft above sea level and extends up from there. That is the case for the club I fly at. Our ground level is approximately 600ft above sea level so we have a fairly generous ceiling before controlled airspace starts. It just needs a little checking before you go chucking. :)
Quote from: Gundummy on December 22, 2015, 08:49:41 AM
As per http://www.fpvhub.com/index.php/topic,47716.msg235504/topicseen.html#new (http://www.fpvhub.com/index.php/topic,47716.msg235504/topicseen.html#new)
It wouldn't suprise me if the BMFA jump on the band wagon....
the BMFA position is that the current UK regulations are appropriate and more than adequate and this was put forward again quite strongly again (and agreed with by the CAA again) at the annual meeting with the CAA that all the various model aircraft flying associations at the start of December. That position was agreed with by all those present which was the BMFA, LMA, SAA and BARCS as well as a number of bods from the CAA.
What is needed is education for the masses which is the reason behind the joint BMFA/CAA Drone aware initiative that was launched at the Drone show by the BMFA/CAA
Electrotor is a robot .... only a data storage device can hold such quantities of valid information verbatim ;)
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the BMFA position is that the current UK regulations are appropriate and more than adequate and this was put forward again quite strongly again (and agreed with by the CAA again) at the annual meeting with the CAA that all the various model aircraft flying associations at the start of December. That position was agreed with by all those present which was the BMFA, LMA, SAA and BARCS as well as a number of bods from the CAA.
That's good to know.....BUT
It wouldn't suprise me if the BMFA jump on the band wagon.... ;D
Was there any representation in attendance from FPVUK?
One thing most people haven't picked up from the new IAA regs is that the requirement for Aerial Works Permits is gone if you fly within the new rules. Training is also no longer needed under 4kg. You still can get a permit if you want to fly in controlled airspace / higher / further etc.
It means a very significant deregulation of commercial RPAS here though. No more €1500 barrier to commercial ops.
This process is also indicative of where EASA are going with rpas regulation.
Quotethe BMFA position is that the current UK regulations are appropriate and more than adequate
... i find that quite arrogant... how good of you to tell the governing body that what they are doing suits you...
(that's the way it came across) :+
Quote from: big a on December 22, 2015, 02:30:46 PM
the BMFA position is that the current UK regulations are appropriate and more than adequate and this was put forward again quite strongly again (and agreed with by the CAA again) at the annual meeting with the CAA that all the various model aircraft flying associations at the start of December. That position was agreed with by all those present which was the BMFA, LMA, SAA and BARCS as well as a number of bods from the CAA.
What is needed is education for the masses which is the reason behind the joint BMFA/CAA Drone aware initiative that was launched at the Drone show by the BMFA/CAA
I find that all quite reassuring and encouraging. Dialogue is very important, especially input from those who will be most affected but also know most about their own specialisation.
I too would like to know if anyone from FPVUK was present. Simon?
QuoteWhat is needed is education for the masses which is the reason behind the joint BMFA/CAA Drone aware initiative that was launched at the Drone show by the BMFA/CAA
:facepalm: Which is why i stated it wouldn't suprise me if the BMFA jump on the band wagon.
no disrespect .... and it's to near Xmas to flog a dead horse
I can see a time when the best of FPV will be behind us, unfortunately everyone seems intent on making money or tightening the regs or both.
We live in a red tape society :+
Why cant people just be sensible any more :(
dizzy :)
Quote from: Gundummy on December 21, 2015, 07:17:30 PM
:facepalm: this is getting out of hand
Could not agree more!
Quote from: Dizzy on December 22, 2015, 09:04:30 PM
I can see a time when the best of FPV will be behind us, unfortunately everyone seems intent on making money or tightening the regs or both.
We live in a red tape society :+
Why cant people just be sensible any more :(
dizzy :)
I don't think it's quite as bad as it seems Dizzy. The problem is that not everyone has the capacity to be sensible and that is not new. That sensibility includes flying, making money and rule making.
We so often tend to think that things used to be so much better years ago. We used to hold control line combat & rat race competitions in a public park with no marshalling or barriers between anybody who wandered past and screaming 2 strokes. In reflection it was madness. Then think back to how much radio gear used to cost - a months wages for a 4 channel 27Mhz set. I'll give you the rule making one though, but that has something to do with a blame culture or a lack of personal responsibility for your own actions.
Cheer up though, you live in a lovely part of the UK with tremendous flying sites.
Quote from: Gundummy on December 22, 2015, 08:17:13 PM
... i find that quite arrogant... how good of you to tell the governing body that what they are doing suits you...
(that's the way it came across) :+
Not quite sure where the arrogance is.
Quote from: big a on December 22, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
Not quite sure where the arrogance is.
I'm arrogant.... Sometimes. ✌️
Quote from: Steve W on December 22, 2015, 06:46:48 PM
Was there any representation in attendance from FPVUK?
The minutes of the meeting are available to download at http://www.bmfa.org/Downloads/All-Downloads?Command=Core_Download&EntryId=1568 (http://www.bmfa.org/Downloads/All-Downloads?Command=Core_Download&EntryId=1568) the LMA have also reported on the meeting at http://www.largemodelassociation.com/resources/over-20kg-scheme/annual-meeting-with-the-caa-2015/ (http://www.largemodelassociation.com/resources/over-20kg-scheme/annual-meeting-with-the-caa-2015/)
Thanks (although a simple no would have sufficed :D )
It's quite nice to read that it was the CAA who proposed extending the current exemption for FPV flyers.
And from the LMA one:
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It is probable that the model aircraft parts of the ANO will be replaced by the EASA rules on drones, but this won't be until 2017-2018, and the LMA will be involved with the CAA in the new rules.
The CAA are happy with the way that recreational model flying works in the UK, and have no desire to increase regulation or introduce an FAA-style registration scheme, and have put their case to EASA.
Good news :)
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The CAA did ask that any video footage on YouTube or similar of naughty things being done with any form of drone or model aircraft be sent to them for investigation, so if you see anything like that, please let us know.
Look out, folks :)
So I guess that (as it always has been) .. don't fly like a moron and if you do, don't put it online (you're still a moron :P )