Anyone know how much sway BALPA has with the CAA?
https://www.balpa.org/News-and-campaigns/News/SERIOUS-DRONE-NEAR-MISSES-PROMPT-WARNING-FROM-PILO.aspx (https://www.balpa.org/News-and-campaigns/News/SERIOUS-DRONE-NEAR-MISSES-PROMPT-WARNING-FROM-PILO.aspx)
QuoteThe British Airline Pilots Association..... calling for stricter rules and a registration system so drone operators can be easily traced and prosecuted for any irresponsible flying.
By the sounds of it, they don't want to find/prosecute you for causing an accident/incident... they want to find and prosecute you for "nearly" having an accident, based solely upon the word of a pilot who claims to have seen a "drone", rather than any actual evidence to support a claim.
On all the AirProx reports attributed to "drones", all of them state that the Drone Pilot could not be traced. My guess is that this magical list of registered drone pilots would immediately become a list of suspects under these circumstances, and knowing our legal system, one of the names may end up dragged through the courts defending him/herself at great personal financial cost.
creating a list will not STOP incidents, people knowingly breaking the rules will simply NOT register.
Quote from: BlueFlyer on February 02, 2016, 12:19:23 AM
By the sounds of it, they don't want to find/prosecute you for causing an accident/incident... they want to find and prosecute you for "nearly" having an accident, based solely upon the word of a pilot who claims to have seen a "drone", rather than any actual evidence to support a claim.
I think you don't quite understand what an airprox is and how the Airprox Board works. Airproxes are by definition "near accidents" and are reported by pilots and air traffic controllers to the Airprox Board. The Board doesn't take solely the reporters word for it but investigates the alleged incident with as much evidence as they can obtain before publishing their findings. It is not the purpose of the Airprox Board to apportion blame or liability but to encourage an open and honest reporting with a view to enhancing flight safety. This is very much how the AAIB works - investigate, determine causes and make recommendations. Put simply the Airprox Board investigates the potential whilst the AAIB examines the pieces. Neither, however, apportion blame. Ambulance chasing lawyers and sensationalist media types do not like this, but if it did not work this way everyone involved would clam up and no progress would be made in flight safety.
Have a read of this and maybe you will have a better understanding.
http://www.airproxboard.org.uk/docs/423/UKAB%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf (http://www.airproxboard.org.uk/docs/423/UKAB%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf)
Ok, I take that...
but still, how much clout to they have with the CAA regarding their calls for a registration system for drone operators?
Quote from: BlueFlyer on February 02, 2016, 12:30:54 PM
Ok, I take that...
but still, how much clout to they have with the CAA regarding their calls for a registration system for drone operators?
It's difficult to know for sure but pilots are aviation professionals speaking to other aviation professionals (CAA) so that may give them more sway. However if you read the minutes of the model associations' meeting with the CAA and have watched the development of model regulation you will see that the CAA seems to have a favourable view of model flying and are quite willing to review and amend regulation accordingly. Indeed the major part of the work done on FPV regulation came from FPVUKs Simon Dale.
It is also worth pointing out that in two cases of models colliding with manned aircraft that I can recall, both times the pilots of the manned aircraft were responsible for the collisions. However you can understand the concerns of the full size guys if encountering a model trying to occupy the same airspace as they are. From my own experience it is quite unnerving to see a model being flown at the same height and just 500m or so away.
Spot on.
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They certainly don't seem to have much clout with the airlines :sparta:
Seems pretty cut and dry - they have the perpetrators picture on their website....
(https://www.balpa.org/Balpa/media/website/My%20Airline%20News/Square%20Images/Wide%20Facebook/Drones-near-miss.jpg)
:o
But seriously... that's some Daily Mail crap right there, designed to cause outrage and irrational support of a poor argument.
Quote from: Zeeflyboy on February 20, 2016, 01:59:32 AM
They certainly don't seem to have much clout with the airlines :sparta:
😂
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