EASA & drone regulation

Started by electrotor, December 22, 2015, 08:21:39 PM

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electrotor

Defeatist indeed but please remember this is Europe and not the USA. And to those who would say that whatever happens in the USA finds its way over here, please remember that Europe and especially the UK are way ahead of the USA in terms of evolved regulation for model flying. In addition Europe has not adopted, or is likely to adopt a set of laws which allows very liberal possession of guns but bans Kinder eggs because they are seen as potentially harmful to children.
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BigT


Quote from: electrotor on December 30, 2015, 10:50:58 AM
Defeatist indeed but please remember this is Europe and not the USA. And to those who would say that whatever happens in the USA finds its way over here, please remember that Europe and especially the UK are way ahead of the USA in terms of evolved regulation for model flying.

Bet you wouldn't say that if you lived in the Republic of Ireland right now.


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electrotor

Quote from: BigT on December 30, 2015, 01:00:52 PM
Bet you wouldn't say that if you lived in the Republic of Ireland right now.

Indeed, but I don't. Neither do I stay in the USA, China or South Africa.
Granted RoI is in the EU but the Irish Aviation Authority currently make up their own rules on model flying and (from experience) tend to get a bit carried away.
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mark1975

found this too

Here's some newinformation for those based in France. Two new ministerial decisions concerningUAV were published on December 17; they become official on January 1, 2016, replacingthe order of April 11, 2012. They can be found on the official government website:
DEVA1528542A
DEVA1528469A
I am certainly not a legal expert, and the ministerial texts are difficult reading,but the first impression is that there are some real improvements in the new rules.I believe thanks to the effort of the French Federation for Model Aircraft (FFAM). 


Concerning amateur use ("model aircraft"), forexample, three points have been clarified and the flight up to 150 meters AGLoutside urban areas is maintained:
•·        Flight in FPV mode no longer requires thepresence of a second pilot with an independent RC controller; the new rulingstipulates that a second person must be present to keep the craft in visualcontact to alert the pilot of collision risks.

•·        Flight in Waypoint mode ("automatic") is now authorized,provided that the pilot is able to take over command of the craft at anymoment.

•·        Aerial photography/video is allowed as long asthe images are not used for commercial purposes.


Other good news, there's no sign here of registration of model aircraft...


There also appears to be some improvement in the professional scenarios, inparticular for UAV less than 2 kg.

All of this should be much clearer in early January when the DGAC makesavailable new user guides (separately for hobby and commercial use) and arevised security notice for "hobby use"; check out news on their site.

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electrotor

Voilà de bonnes nouvelles pour les pilotes du vol en immersion.  :)
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Gundummy

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no more depressing negative posts ... there's a new year around the corner  ;D
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BlueFlyer

That's pretty much the same as the FPV Exemption we've had in the UK for years. Just shows that the CAA is actually ahead of the curve.

Regarding autonomous waypoints... There's nothing that I'm aware of that prohibits this here.

FPVSteve

Now if the CAA could do away with the spotter rule, I'd only have OFCOM to worry about :P

BlueFlyer

To be honest, I don't worry about OFCOM anyway... the only way they find out about stuff is if 1) people snitch, or 2) using overpowered equipment causes a nuisance so much that complaints are made (and even then, the people affected would need to know you can complain to ofcom... which I don't think many people do)

I never fly near anyone or anything I could interfere with so unless one of you snitch on me, I'm alright ;)

Lola


Quote from: electrotor on December 30, 2015, 04:16:23 PM
Voilà de bonnes nouvelles pour les pilotes du vol en immersion.  :)

Könnt ihr bitte mit dem Fremdsprachen aufhören? Hier wird Englisch geschrieben! 😜

FPVSteve

Quote from: BlueFlyer on December 30, 2015, 04:59:07 PM
I never fly near anyone or anything I could interfere with so unless one of you snitch on me, I'm alright ;)

All I'll say is be careful who you talk to on here :laugh:

electrotor

Quote from: Lola on December 30, 2015, 05:16:34 PM
Könnt ihr bitte mit dem Fremdsprachen aufhören? Hier wird Englisch geschrieben! 😜

Sumofthe posting's make me dow,t this ascershon.
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Gundummy

QuoteI never fly near anyone I could interfere with

That sounds a bit "Saville"ish ... Do you have urges Chris :)
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What has hosting Top of the Pops got to do with FPV??

electricmick

Quote from: BlueFlyer on December 30, 2015, 04:38:01 PM
Regarding autonomous waypoints... There's nothing that I'm aware of that prohibits this here.

A quote from the BMFA special interest group minutes of 20 April 2013 reporting on a BMFA conversation with the CAA:

"Autonomous flight and Autopilot. MW (Manny Williamson) explained there had been some discussion (with the CAA) regarding autonomous flight and consideration as to whether it could be considered as model aircraft flight. The conclusion reached was that as long as there was compliance with the ANO, it took place in visual line of sight of the pilot and the pilot had the ability to take control at any point that autonomous flight was a valid form of sporting/recreational model aircraft flying. The group were in general agreement with this. GR enquired if there was any provision for beyond visual line of sight flying, MW said that in model flying terms it is clear that there is not."

Pretty clear that there is nothing that prohibits here in the UK.

Mick
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