New UK Drones Law punishes British Model Flying Community

[BigT]

When I said this "if I fly outside of a registered club site, off piste gliding for example, a whole different set of laws kick in regarding size weight height age of pilot etc etc" I was specifically talking about what happens in the FDR not what might happen in the UK. In the FDR a registered club has a government registered site with a Staatlich Registrierter Fliegender Offizier who is responsible for enforcing the regulations at said site or at a public show etc.  When flying at a non registered site, for example slope soaring in the mountains, there is a whole lot more restrictions on who, what and how can be flown. Far more restrictive.

Worth mentioning that the RC hobby and modellers in Germany carry far more respect with the general public than in the UK. Most towns have proper model sites with hard runways and club houses usually part funded by the local council.

[big a]

So  we are saying that in the UK SUA etc pilots and operators who do not belong to a recognised national body will be subject to EASA regs not UK regs?

No not at all. The EASA regs are supposed to be Europe wide. However they have recognised the long safety record of those flying within the framework of a national association and givel the national regulatory bodies (CAA) the leeway to make exemptions for those flying within associations.


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[Lola]

When I said this "if I fly outside of a registered club site, off piste gliding for example, a whole different set of laws kick in regarding size weight height age of pilot etc etc" I was specifically talking about what happens in the FDR not what might happen in the UK. In the FDR a registered club has a government registered site with a Staatlich Registrierter Fliegender Offizier who is responsible for enforcing the regulations at said site or at a public show etc.  When flying at a non registered site, for example slope soaring in the mountains, there is a whole lot more restrictions on who, what and how can be flown. Far more restrictive.

Worth mentioning that the RC hobby and modellers in Germany carry far more respect with the general public than in the UK. Most towns have proper model sites with hard runways and club houses usually part funded by the local council.

That's right, over here, I registered with the DMFV, yearly registration costing about 50 quid, which allows me to turn up at any flying club and I am allowed to fly. The conditions are set by the club itself, these are basically all models not heavier than 25Kgs, 10mw max on 433, 100 on 2.4, that's control, fpv is allowed at some clubs, with spotter, no bvlos and only 25mw power. No higher than 120 meters I think...

Quite simple really.

The 250 gram registration has also come in at the start of this year and if you get caught flying somewhere other than a flying club you can end up in a spot of bother... cooler, 3 weeks 😁


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[BigT]

[Lola]

Looool... 😂😂😂

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[BigT]

So they are planning to have another go at curtailing the recreational use of, wait for it, drones. This time it's a parliament led inquiry. https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/science-and-technology-committee/news-parliament-2017/commercial-recreational-drone-use-launch-17-19/

To content with completely rogering BREXIT they now think they can regulate and comment on the use of toys. Bring on the clowns.

[electrotor]

So they are planning to have another go at curtailing the recreational use of, wait for it, drones. This time it's a parliament led inquiry. https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/science-and-technology-committee/news-parliament-2017/commercial-recreational-drone-use-launch-17-19/

To content with completely rogering BREXIT they now think they can regulate and comment on the use of toys. Bring on the clowns.

For me, two things immediately leap out from that link :

Firstly

The Committee is seeking written submissions on:
The ethical implications of civilian drones on citizen privacy and safety in the UK;
The effectiveness of built-in drone safety features, such as tracking and monitoring capabilities, in mitigating the risks of civilian drones;
The effectiveness of anti-drone technology in mitigating the risks of civilian drones;
The economic opportunities arising from the growth of drone technology;
The success, or otherwise, of regulatory frameworks for civilian drones and what should be covered in the forthcoming 'Drones Bill'

They MUST define what it is they are referring to as "drones". The accompanying picture shows a large professional octocopter and the text refers to "the growing use of civilian drones, of all sizes". So just multicopters?


Secondly

The ease with which alleged but unproven sightings turn into statements such as "Following two previous consultations on drone safety and security and incursions at Gatwick and Heathrow airports the Government is planning to bring forward a 'Drones Bill' in 2019."
Considering the ease with which one-off incidents get recorded and posted on social media, I find it incredible that around 130 alleged drone sightings at Gatwick have gone unrecorded.

The link encourages you to "Send in your views to the Science and Technology Committee inquiry on Commercial and recreational drone use in the UK." So if you consider this to be a case of urinating into the wind don't bother, but don't complain afterwords. However if you feel sufficiently concerned to voice an opinion and wish to influence the regulation which will affect you, please send in your views.

[BigT]

Cut and paste that into the BMFA thread please

[FPVSteve]

When I said "urinating into the wind" I meant specifically the back and forth on this forum - it basically amounts to a ton of time and effort for no purpose (except for keeping us informed I guess). You'd be better off fighting the fight directly, by attending consultation meetings and such. Nothing that happens on here will make a blind bit of difference.

[electrotor]

Cut and paste that into the BMFA thread please

Done

[electrotor]

When I said "urinating into the wind" I meant specifically the back and forth on this forum

That was not clear.

When I said "urinating into the wind" I meant specifically the back and forth on this forum - it basically amounts to a ton of time and effort for no purpose (except for keeping us informed I guess).

The purpose of a forum is inform, discuss and share opinions. FPVHUB, as you say, is a forum and has thus served this purpose.

You'd be better off fighting the fight directly, by attending consultation meetings and such. Nothing that happens on here will make a blind bit of difference.

Attending consultations is geographically and economically not possible for me due to the distances from these things. However direct contact has and is being made. If members of this forum are informed and thus motivated to respond or take other forms of constructive action then the forum has made a difference.

[Lola]

Why don't we start a thread on global warming or plastic waste, Brexit, the Trump wall or the conflict in the Ukraine? May as well because nobody seems to give a rats back passage about anything else apart from this crap.

Rant over.

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[electrotor]

Why don't we start a thread on global warming or plastic waste, Brexit, the Trump wall or the conflict in the Ukraine?

Simply because :
- this is an FPV forum
- none of them directly affects model/drone flying

May as well because nobody seems to give a rats back passage about anything else apart from this crap.

Six other threads were posted in yesterday, perhaps you didn't notice. Not everyone is interested in those threads but they don't rant about it.
Besides you advised us that you didn't care about this thread, were dipping out and said thank you for respecting your opinions. Could you perhaps respect the opinions of others who are bothering to post constructively?

[Lola]

@ Electrotor, you are absolutly right mate, bang on. Sorry pal. I did get a bit sarcastic.

Cooler... 3 weeks.

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[electrotor]

Cool
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May you come back refreshed.