Bagged one of these MyFlyDream Autopilots.
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I really like the all in one solutions as as this already has the Telefly Tracker built in it seemed an easy option to go with the MFD AAT. I Plumbed it into the X8 today and fired it up.
Good Points:
1. Unlike the FY41AP where 1 battery powers everything i liked having 3 separate supplies, 1 for the Motor, 1 for the RX and Servos (Opto ESC) and another into the AP that powers the Tracker, Cam and Vid TX. (I suppose you could have 2 Lipo setup if you wished).
2. 10 Waypoint Input via the OSD.
3. Man, Stab, Circ, Alt, Waypnt and RTH Modes.
4. Launch Mode - nice idea. Plank when lobbed will launch at a 30 deg Stabilised mode until you take over elev/ail control - you only need to control the throttle leaving it to climb on its own.
5. Feature loaded Menus and easy to just plug in and play.
6. MFD AAT compatible out of the box - no additional GPS/Telefly unit needed.
7. Feels Solid.
Bad points:
1. Manual utterly useless and in dire need of updating. So much detail missing and if it is there - it's wrong!
The manual failed to mention it controls the mixes post AP so no need to set it up on your TX. This made menu selections interesting and setting up overall.
2. Alot of tweakable options with little explanation of effects/results.
3. No details on how to input waypoints.
I'll snap some menu shots and put more info up as undo my hard work of wing mixing 2moro :confused:
I like the idea of the launch mode.
I`ve not read up on anything about these units, so your findings and experience will be interesting to follow.
Myflydream autopilot test flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjFE2sukxcw#)
Not sold on the fonts used, look hard to see clearly imo
There's a few OSD options, White, Black "embossed" and simple OSD. I've just about set it up and calibrated it on the X8. I tried taking a few snaps today of the menus but couldn't get it quite right with a projector and no direct DVR.
As soon as i can - i will!! :D
Here's an idea of the Launch mode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMHdlnvtemg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMHdlnvtemg#ws)
Apologies before i post, I've not had the chance or kit to record the OSD and menus etc however the new version of the manual is out and provides some clear pictures - also lists the menu options (at last). It's also now compatible with Mission Planner etc.
more to follow...
http://www.myflydream.com/download/MFD_AP_en.pdf (http://www.myflydream.com/download/MFD_AP_en.pdf)
GD
Can this AP be used on a plane with no Ailerons?
Normal plane, but just rudder, elevator and throttle?
After reading a fair amount on this AP I think I`ll get one now. Very positive results, easy to program, works ( all be is a bit rough but it works ) straight out the box, current sensor is accurate etc.
I am thinking along the same lines as you. I have been waiting 4 weeks for the Fy 41 replacement and although the one we have working is good I like this mfd but is there a uk supplier?
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No I don`t think there are any MFD suppliers of anything, all Chinese or USA
So where will you get yours?
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I`ll by from Charles at MyFlyDream, I always do deal with him direct. His customer service is impeccable and you cut out the middle man.
Instead of asking a supplier a question and you get no answer or wait for them to ask him the same question to Charles I go straight to him.
Yeah interesting unit. The chap who made the MFD clearly talented so expect this to be decent.
Launch mode is interesting but I think most AP's will do that... kinda.
My RVOSD for example, just give it full up trim whilst in 'FBW' mode and chuck it, plane will stabilise and climb out hands off.
Best feature.... No PC hookup required!
Charles - exceptional and helpful!
I'm really really tempted to switch to these. The tracker looks loads better than anything I could come up with and the autopilot looks pretty tasty.
One of the things I've been toying with developing is a system where people flying the same OSD and ground station can see where each other are, and this stuff has it built in!
It'd cost me about £600 to move over though, which may have to wait a couple of months.
hmmmmmm new falcon new MFD Autopilot ;D
The Falcon's so stable and fun mate you don't need anything like this in it. My thinking was that I'd be shoving the Telefly OSD you get as part of the antenna tracker in my Falcon and put Autopilots in my other planes.
Quote from: Coyote on July 08, 2014, 08:44:27 PM
I`ll by from Charles at MyFlyDream, I always do deal with him direct. His customer service is impeccable and you cut out the middle man.
Instead of asking a supplier a question and you get no answer or wait for them to ask him the same question to Charles I go straight to him.
Did you look at the eagle tree vector?
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Indeed I did , I wasn't too keen on the graphics to be honest, don't like the font. The MFD AP also links straight to my antenna tracker without any extra equipment being added which appeals to me also. It looks much easier to setup and tune on the fly. I'm not a fan at all of the AP / OSD that make you go into a menu to set them up, RVOSD crashed my X8 because of that system of tuning.
Can the display be changed from metric to imperial? Oh well it really doesn't matter does it? I've ordered mine today. It will be an interesting comparison to the FY41AP in the other plane.
Answer: yes it can
Quote from: Coyote on July 10, 2014, 10:14:43 AM
Indeed I did , I wasn't too keen on the graphics to be honest, don't like the font. The MFD AP also links straight to my antenna tracker without any extra equipment being added which appeals to me also. It looks much easier to setup and tune on the fly. I'm not a fan at all of the AP / OSD that make you go into a menu to set them up, RVOSD crashed my X8 because of that system of tuning.
Amazing service from mfd. Ordered on Thursday arrived via DHL Tuesday, paid £3.00 duty on line with zero collection fee (unlike parcel farces£15.) started installing into skywalker today. Very good info re wiring on you tube as manual not too clear.
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Yeah the manual is a bit lacking, does not cover what the bind plug type thing is for. Mentions it's something to do with the camera in the parts pictures, but no mention where or how to use it.
Mines installed, yet to turn it on. Did you check what version yours is flashed with ?
I'm lurking with interest, credit card at the ready. Damn my lack of willpower!
Quote from: Coyote on July 16, 2014, 10:40:40 AM
Yeah the manual is a bit lacking, does not cover what the bind plug type thing is for. Mentions it's something to do with the camera in the parts pictures, but no mention where or how to use it.
Mines installed, yet to turn it on. Did you check what version yours is flashed with ?
I have no idea what the supplied firmware was I just flashed the latest before install as to do it later looks a pain as I would have to remove it from the plane. I was going to e mail MFD re the plug and the 2 spare cables. 1 has a balance plug on the end and the other a male servo plug and bare wires the other.
Quote from: Coyote on July 16, 2014, 10:40:40 AM
Yeah the manual is a bit lacking, does not cover what the bind plug type thing is for. Mentions it's something to do with the camera in the parts pictures, but no mention where or how to use it.
Mines installed, yet to turn it on. Did you check what version yours is flashed with ?
I have no idea what the supplied firmware was I just flashed the latest before install as to do it later looks a pain as I would have to remove it from the plane. I was going to e mail MFD re the plug and the 2 spare cables. 1 has a balance plug on the end and the other a male servo plug and bare wires the other. How are you powering yours up? On the FY set up I use 1 4s flight battery and 1 camera battery to eliminate the diagonal line interference. I was thinking of 1 4s flight pack and a 3s pack to power the MFD then see if the lines are there or not.
I use the 2pin power wire, I have taken this to a 12v very low noise PSU even though I'm running 3s so the supply is very clean still. I am predominantly going to be using a Mobius as the main flight cam so no clashing with switching Bec's but I am having the camera as quick release so I can swap it for a WDR for night flying so the PSU comes onto its own then.
So you have a 3s flight pack with a tapping to the 2 pin power supply. Camera supply from the AP to a connector which will be connected to either a voltage dropper which is connected to the Mobius harness or straight through to 12volt camera? Sounds the same as my plan. How about the ground wires for the camera/vtx? I am supposing the common ground is in the AP?
Useful you tube review re the wiring but he does not know what the jumper is for (1.5min)
http://youtu.be/0PurSaP22bE (http://youtu.be/0PurSaP22bE)
My 12v for the MFDAP comes off the ESC pins of the current sensor ( so the mah is counted ) which then goes to an adjustable PSU set to 12v. The PSU 12v output then goes to the MFDAP power input. The Vtx is powered by the Vtx connection of the MFDAP. The camera output feeds the camera with a extra cable (5v) to power the Mobius when not using the WDR
Got it. Will copy on mine, (why re invent the wheel) :P
Installed and turned on. Now I have to calibrate and tune. Only issue is the ASI not working yet and the 2 switch positions.
Edit
Just discovered that if rtl, alt or acm are selected on the ground the motor spins up to cruise speed. Ouch! My assumption was that it would not arm the motor as the FY 41 will not when on the ground so take the prop off!!!. The jumper plug is not used according to MFD.
There is a motor safety setting in there if i remember rightly?
I didn`t know that but glad you mention it because I would have thought it would have a speed safety feature, ie below 10 kph no motor arm or something.
I`ve had mine turned on, all systems working from what I can tell but not the motors or servos powered yet.
I like the display, that`s nice, not too much information but enough.
5.2 THR SAFETY Set this option to Y to disable the motor from rotating.We suggest to set it to Y when you are tuning the plane on ground
knew it was there somewhere!
Yup in Misc settings, just found it now I have the receiver bound :)
Yes you can disarm the motor when tuning but remember to turn the lock off before flying else you will have a RTH deadstick. Went for a tuning flight today but never flew as I forgot to pack the wing :-\. Tomorrow or Sunday weather permitting.
Like the abillity to change to Imperial, cannot seem to reduce the radius of the Circle mode.
Circle Radius is under Autopilot Settings menu........
Quote from: Gundummy on July 19, 2014, 10:18:00 AM
Circle Radius is under Autopilot Settings menu........
Yes I found it but could not get it down below 300 feet. That's a bloody big circle!
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you think so? I'm assuming that its a 50m radius?
so 300ft (100m) circle?
Something like that. I will look at it again today when I do the testing and tuning flights
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The test flight today was not an unqualified success. Man mode is ok. Stabilised mode seems to be working ok. Not so good is Altitude Hold and RTH and the compass which is 60 degrees off. Alt does not hold heading or altitude. In rth the model starts to turn but then dives steeply at full throttle until I take back control at about 50m. I have safe altitude set at 150m so it should not descend below that. Circle radius was set to 100m but the actual circle was much tighter than that.
I plan to e mail mfd tonight for help and suggestions
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Sounds like you have not correctly calibrated the compass and you have not set the cruise and alt values in the AP properly
Compass cal and set up as per instructions. Also gyro etc. asi works well. Going to reset back to metric and play with safe height tomorrow to see if that is the issue. Maybe the barometer is out as in Circle mode it just screamed into a very tight descending spiral nowhere near the 300 foot radius it was set to. I wonder if there is a decimal missing and its 30.00 feet cos thats more like the circle it was doing. ALT was not working either. MAN and STB worked well with no problems, horizon was level etc. Video is clear with zero lines. Sent an e mail to MFD so lets see what he says. I had this RTH issue with the FY41 and that was down to a dodgy firmware update so it could be that.
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It might pay you to trawl through the RC Groups thread on the MFD, I can't dig the link out as overseas on my laptop but it clears up a lot of issues and explains more than the manual ever will!
GD
Just returned from an afternoon with the MFD in my Skywalker 190 (old wing). I started over from the beginning, loaded on the Skywalker parameters, did a common calibration, flew & trimmed, landed Cal Joystick, Cal Comp and flew again. I can confirm that it all seems to be working but will still need some fine tuning to get the best out of it. For example in ALT the model "dolphins" to keep altitude and pulses the throttle. In RTH when it hits the 500m mark and starts either the climb or decent to "Safe Height" the noses waggles left and right. Small things but worth getting right. All the adjustments are in the manual so it's just trial and error. I think the AW 1900 old wing is a bit of a boat, it doesn't much like gusty winds and it was very thermally today. The factory ASI works well but I need to ask MFD what to set the Throttle Min to as I believe it's different when you use the ASI. Oh and the TX failsafe works as well.
I will peruse the RC Groups forum for clues on how to set up 2 3 way switches so you can use ALT and Circ, which I would find useful.
I have mine setup as :
Switch 1 - low = Manual, medium = stabilization high = RTH
With switch 1 in stabilization ( medium )
Switch 2 : Low = Stabilization, Medium = Circle, High = Alt
If switch 1 us anything but medium all switch 2 inputs are ignored. Works fine
Quote from: Coyote on July 21, 2014, 11:39:48 PM
I have mine setup as :
Switch 1 - low = Manual, medium = stabilization high = RTH
With switch 1 in stabilization ( medium )
Switch 2 : Low = Stabilization, Medium = Circle, High = Alt
If switch 1 us anything but medium all switch 2 inputs are ignored. Works fine
Yes I did that as well qnd it does work. See if you can arm it for LAUNCH. I can only get LAUNCH to work if I use 2 channel switch for channel 5.
I will when I get back home and let you know. I haven't tried to intentionally activate it but did see it comes up once accidentally while switch flicking :)
It appears that in the latest firmware there is a automatic Throttle Safe if you select any of the navigation modes on the ground.
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I have to say the backup from MFD is really excellent.
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Took the Twinstar out for its maiden today with MFD AP in it.
The MFD was brilliant, easy to setup, easy to tune via inflight tuning, a very stress free number of flights to get everything working as advertized.
One thing I couldn`t do was try out launch mode, I could get it to ask me to activate it, but it never would. A quick google and I found the instructions are actually wrong.
Now I can activate it all day long using 3 position switches I had.
To activate :
Ch5 and Ch6 Low
Aileron full right
Ch5 to High
Release Ailerons
Ch5 to Low
Ch6 to Med ( Stabilize mode ) and Launch stays on ready to go
😀 going to look at the tune in flight
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So after a really successful session where alt and rth worked very well I did not fly for 9 days. I took the plane out today expecting it to be the same but it was not. I made no trim or other changes during the 9 days same tx same lipo. Man and STB are ok but rth and alt are not. Rth makes plane dive and aim roughly towards home but travels with left wing down past home and never enters circle just carries on at set throttle of 70%. In alt plane also flys wing down and does not maintain altitude or heading. Compass is 100deg out. Also cannot reduce circle radius below 249 feet which is far too large. What caused the change in 9 days? Temp is the same. Same flying site. What do I do now?
Mine seemed to forget its neutrals, it still flew fine in Stab and RTH etc but switching to manual made it dive, had to retrim and set neutrals again, was fine afterwards.
Did you save the model before you packed up to go home so it didn`t save the settings maybe ?
Far as I remember I did trim flight in man checked STB was ok landed did cal joystick, flew, checked rth and alt landed packed up and went home. I now wonder if I need to do a reset and start over and keep a written log.
Hmm, sounds like you did forget or there is a good possibility you did, easy to do
So are you saying that I should save the model before disconnecting the battery after every flight or after every adjustment or both?
After any adjustment it should be done, as long as your happy with the results after the change.
Mmmmm. Think I will do a reset and start again
Just got this comment on RC GROUPS Buddy and I are seeing similar behavior. RTH suddenly not working when no changes have been made to plane.
The only thing that changes are the gyro`s after they heat up, so if you calibrate them too early or not at the end once they have warmed up then you can get gyro drift. Everything else "should" stay constant.
That though does not explain the mag being out
Got this reply http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1982275
Yeah schumixmd is thinking the same as me. We are going slightly off topic from this thread though. Its going from reviews to help thread lol
Why not move/start a help thread?
Ah you didn't mention you had changed your sat lock to 4 sats, that`s terrible. Never fly on such a low lock count. If that is all you had locked then that will be the problem bud, 4 is basically useless. 7 at a bear minimum, 8 - 9 normally
Really? My FY works ok on 4 plus. I definitely will do a reset then. But thats only to set auto home. I can get 7 8 or 9 during a flight
Setting off with only 4 gives you a poor home reference so it may return to a completely different spot when its got more locked on and knows its position much better. If your flying with only 4 and have GPS for altitude then its wildly inaccurate and can cause dives / climbs and stalls easily.
I did a reset and downloaded the Skywalker basic setup which gave me metric settings and the default of 8 sats for home setting. For the record I reduced max throttle to 70% min throttle to 0% as I have the ASI fitted, and the speed to 40kph and reduced the circle rad to the min and safe height to 150m. I did the common calibration and basic set up at home then the Gyro & ACC Cal at the field before first flight but only after the HOME WAS AUTOSET by locking onto 8 sats. Following trimming flight I did Cal Joystick and flew again to test STB then ALT and finally RTH.
I am pleased to say all went well despite the very gusty 20mph winds. There are a few adjustments to make to get it really smooth in auto flight modes but nothing major. Particularly pleased with the failsafe RTH which kicked in today at 1300m which is a little unusual as I normally get quiet a bit more from this Futaba set up. I usually lose video well before radio. I put this down to the direction I had to fly in due to the wind. This heading takes me over a large aerial and can cause glitching on 2.4 plus it was very stormy. I made sure to do a save before disconnecting.
If the storm blows through I will have another go tomorrow.
I`m loving the MFD now, I`m going to get another one next month.
I lost my course lock heading the other day though, everything like altitude and throttle hold worked, just not heading hold. I couldn`t put it in launch mode either, but thought nothing of that.
Turns out I had given two clicks of trim previously, once trim is added you MUST use cal joystick again. I forgot all about it between flights and that`s what caused both to stop fully working. Oh well you live n learn :)
+1 for MFD too, after moving from EzOSD / APM I've now got one platform for tracking, OSD and Autopilot that just works.
There's a few quirky things sure, like wiring up the AP needs close consultation with the manual if you don't want to burn anything out because sometimes ground is on the left of the connector, sometimes right, sometimes bottom!
Support is excellent too, they replaced a DOA unit for me without any fuss and without even wanting the dead unit back first.
Interesting to see that you all like the mfd AP. I've been tempted to get one for a while and I heard that they will be selling their new twin star style plane as a bundle with the ap, so I may just finally pull the trigger.
I quite like the idea of the takeoff mode as I always hand launch due to where I fly.
Launch mode works really well for me. You just go right rudder and then flick the two position switch on then off, after that put it in stabilise, max the throttle and lob it! It'll then keep level until you touch the sticks and then you're in control albeit in stabilise mode.
RTH is also faultless, even without much tuning.
Yup launch mode is great, I can leave the tx on the floor, throttle up, chuck it and walk back to my seat, pick up the tx and put my goggles on and it will just climb away at 30 degrees perfectly level the whole time.
I'm going to buy my next one on payday for either the Solius or Z3, which ever one doesn't get it will get one the month after anyway I like this AP that much.
The only thing that might stop me is for some reason the airspeed sensor has been pulled from the site. I would rather wait until it or a new version is back on and buy it as a bundle because I think the airspeed sensor is so important for its performance.
It works great in a Z3, I maidened one at the weekend and am really happy with it.
Quote from: Coyote on October 07, 2014, 01:07:54 PM
I'm going to buy my next one on payday for either the Solius or Z3, which ever one doesn't get it will get one the month after anyway I like this AP that much.
Any chance you can do me a favour and get a couple of replacement pitot tubes (just the plastic bit)? I'm happy to help with the postage!
Quote from: iPeel on October 08, 2014, 11:02:20 AM
Quote from: Coyote on October 07, 2014, 01:07:54 PM
I'm going to buy my next one on payday for either the Solius or Z3, which ever one doesn't get it will get one the month after anyway I like this AP that much.
Any chance you can do me a favour and get a couple of replacement pitot tubes (just the plastic bit)? I'm happy to help with the postage!
Airspeed ?
Would've thought this might be more appropriate (http://www.antiquehelper.com/auctionimages/42097t.jpg)
:laugh:
regards
Andy
Quote from: iPeel on October 08, 2014, 11:02:20 AM
Any chance you can do me a favour and get a couple of replacement pitot tubes (just the plastic bit)? I'm happy to help with the postage!
Can do, it wont be fir a few weeks. Tbh though I dont like the pplastic ones. If you want one in a hurry I have a spare plastic one here I can mail to you if you want
Quote from: Coyote on October 08, 2014, 12:38:27 PM
Can do, it wont be fir a few weeks. Tbh though I dont like the pplastic ones. If you want one in a hurry I have a spare plastic one here I can mail to you if you want
I know what you mean, the plastic ones look a bit crap compared to the metal ones, but do you know where you can get metal pitot tubes on their own in the UK? I'd rather have a metal one if I can get them.
Quote from: iPeel on October 08, 2014, 01:23:59 PM
Quote from: Coyote on October 08, 2014, 12:38:27 PM
Can do, it wont be fir a few weeks. Tbh though I dont like the pplastic ones. If you want one in a hurry I have a spare plastic one here I can mail to you if you want
I know what you mean, the plastic ones look a bit crap compared to the metal ones, but do you know where you can get metal pitot tubes on their own in the UK? I'd rather have a metal one if I can get them.
Dunno if this would work on your one, but cant see any resoan why not
http://www.buildyourowndrone.co.uk/air-speed-pitot-tube-combined-static-dynamic-probes.html (http://www.buildyourowndrone.co.uk/air-speed-pitot-tube-combined-static-dynamic-probes.html)
regards
Andy
Yup they work Andy, that's the ones I use on mine. Although it snapped in transit so I just use the inside tube now :)
Coo, I'll get some of those instead then, thanks!
Quote from: skyscraper on October 08, 2014, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: iPeel on October 08, 2014, 11:02:20 AM
Quote from: Coyote on October 07, 2014, 01:07:54 PM
I'm going to buy my next one on payday for either the Solius or Z3, which ever one doesn't get it will get one the month after anyway I like this AP that much.
Any chance you can do me a favour and get a couple of replacement pitot tubes (just the plastic bit)? I'm happy to help with the postage!
Airspeed ?
Would've thought this might be more appropriate (http://www.antiquehelper.com/auctionimages/42097t.jpg)
:laugh:
regards
Andy
Pmsl!
:)
Quick question
I have an X6 wing and having probs getting the servos to work correctly
I've obviously wired them up wrong because I have one moving up and down on the aileron and the other only moves on the elevator
I have the MFD AP setr as the X6 so thought it would do all the mixing
Any clues guys ??
Cheers
PS, All other switches and throttle works perfectly
EDIT:
Sorted
I had the plane type as NORMAL
Switched to WING and all working fine
QuoteSorted
I had the plane type as NORMAL
Switched to WING and all working fine
:rofl:
Oh bollocks !
Z3 all set, ready to set AP up and my current sensor says a 4S pack is at 28v !
I know whats up, on the current sensor board two resistors have been place on the wrong pads. Easy to fix if you have a flow solder station, not so much if you don`t. Very annoying though :(
So annoying!
Looks like its has a make-over now as well
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n39/cayote64/cayote64152/newMFD_zps903ec629.jpg)
I just ordered myself one! Looking forward to it arriving. Just need to decide which plane it will go into!
Quote from: Coyote on November 26, 2014, 02:32:13 AM
Looks like its has a make-over now as well
Where did you get that image from?! Any details on whether it's just a cosmetic change or had a revamp of the electronics?
Or did you just photoshop that to wind us up?! ;)
Its on the MFD AP RCGroups thread :)
I see also there's 1.16 beta documentation on MFD's website.
He did say that he'd put some stuff in the next release for me, namely enabling RTH on loss of PPM signal. As soon as it's out of beta I'll be giving that a go.
I`ve got 1.16 on mine, it came with it already on. Not much has changed, servo endpoints, additional voltage indication
It still though does that knuckle destroying annoying full throttle thing if you hold save model for too long in the menu
Here are some comparison pictures taken by Nucc10 on RCGroups
As you can see a few subtle differences, the main one being the CML fx604d4 full duplex modem ( Audio Modem )is no longer on the board
(http://s11.postimg.org/yev5dht67/mfd1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/yev5dht67/)
(http://s11.postimg.org/q5eolca27/mfd2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/q5eolca27/)
(http://s11.postimg.org/cprnvw1kf/mfd3.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/cprnvw1kf/)
(http://s11.postimg.org/thhksdr73/mfd4.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/thhksdr73/)
(http://s11.postimg.org/eiukk7mr3/mfd5.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/eiukk7mr3/)
(http://s11.postimg.org/ezkdkdzvz/mfd6.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ezkdkdzvz/)
(http://s11.postimg.org/65th3acxb/mfd8.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/65th3acxb/)
(http://s11.postimg.org/4s1u7zdnz/mfd10.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4s1u7zdnz/)
The absence of the modem is unsurprising, seeming as they use video for the tracking data now.
Looks like there's nothing to worry about for users with the old kit then.
Quote from: Coyote on November 27, 2014, 12:18:38 PM
Here are some comparison pictures taken by Nucc10 on RCGroups
As you can see a few subtle differences, the main one being the CML fx604d4 full duplex modem ( Audio Modem )is no longer on the board
(http://s11.postimg.org/yev5dht67/mfd1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/yev5dht67/)
(http://s11.postimg.org/ezkdkdzvz/mfd6.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ezkdkdzvz/)
Who gobbed on the board? :laugh:
regards
Andy
AP firmware 1.16 is available for download on the MFD Website (http://www.myflydream.com/index.php?main_page=page_2) now I see.
The release notes in the download list the following fixes / enhancements:
20141203 (MFD_AP_V1.16)
1. Utilities->GPS AP/AAT support new ublox GPS from MFD.
2. BugFixed: Menu system display incorrectly if roll to bottom and quit/enter menu again.
3. BugFixed: Sometimes the motor will rotate for 0.5 seconds after you quit the OSD menu.
4. Improvement: A bigger,more visible TargetIndicator arrow.
5. Improvement: Add in MTD(MyTwinDream) pre-set model.
6. New Function: Support PITCH/ROLL servo gimbal. (MISC SETTINGS->GIMBAL ROLL/PTCH ADJ). Only work with PPM input mode. Connect your ROLL gambal servo to THR input, TILT sero to RUD input. Adjust the above
ADJ values until the servos compensate the attitude correctly.
7. Support the 2nd voltage display. (OSD SETTINGS->BATT2 VOLT). And you can calirate it with (SENSORS SETTINGS->CAL. VOLT2). To use this function you need a MFD AirSpeed sensor. Some old AirSpeed sensors
have a mistake on its PCB. You need to swap 2 resistors(4700ohm and 590ohm) before apply the 2nd voltage to it. Will release a note about this issue on our website later.
8. New Function: Add in servo limits. (Plane settings->AILERON/ELEVATOR/RUDDER LIMIT). Use these menu items to limit the travel range of your servos. (between 50%~100%)
9. Improvement: The radius of circling now is up to 255 meters.
I as well as most on the forums have not been able to flash products like the MyFlyDream ATT Drive, MFD AP etc
The problem is the FDTI programmer. All are sent out as version 3 and are completely incompatible with Windows 8 :( Versions 2`s are but I have yet to see one.
I have now though found a completely compatible programmer from the UK that installs correct drivers straight away and works without any fiddling at all. Its only £5 from a UK guy who has managed to get it out in just two days. After the hair pulling I`ve been doing its the best £5 I`ve spent in a while :)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251996640861?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251996640861?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
One of many criticisms of the manual is that you have to do a lot of scrolling around when you're connecting up the AP to various bits and bobs, mainly to make sure that the ground of each connector is the right way round.
I've produced this graphic as something I can print out and keep with me when I'm connecting everything up to condense it all down to one page:
(http://www.peely.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/MFD-Pins.png)
Brilliant Neil, that will make things easy from now. I've done it three times and I still struggle!
Quote from: Coyote on July 28, 2015, 05:21:41 PM
I as well as most on the forums have not been able to flash products like the MyFlyDream ATT Drive, MFD AP etc
The problem is the FDTI programmer. All are sent out as version 3 and are completely incompatible with Windows 8 :( Versions 2`s are but I have yet to see one.
This is the only downfall of the chinese autopilots/OSDs... FY Tech were the same. I either had to mess around installing dodgy (possibly harmful) drivers on my windows 8 pc or borrow an old XP laptop in order to flash/upgrade anything like that.
I know this is a MFD thread, so apologies for bringing this up... I've now got the ET Vector, and the software configuration program worked perfectly well on Windows 8, 8.1, and now works perfectly well on Windows 10.
I'm sorry, but I'll never get a MFD or FY osd/ap so long as ET still make FPV stuff.
Quote from: iPeel on August 02, 2015, 03:19:13 PM
One of many criticisms of the manual is that you have to do a lot of scrolling around when you're connecting up the AP to various bits and bobs, mainly to make sure that the ground of each connector is the right way round.
I've produced this graphic as something I can print out and keep with me when I'm connecting everything up to condense it all down to one page:
(http://www.peely.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/MFD-Pins.png)
Wonderful idea. For users new and old the most important plug to get the right way round is the power supply. Get it wrong and you will let the magic smoke out!
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Very useful info all together, makes the job of changing from FY to MFD much easier! Does anybody has the schematic how to utilize the 2nd voltage indication by using the feature on the airspeed sensor??
It's pretty straight forward :
(http://s11.postimg.org/58utogahr/Volt2_wiring_zpse279d602.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/58utogahr/)
Very good, thanks!
Hi Chaps, I have a tuning question that I am sure has been answered before but cannot find the thread. If you look at the video you will see that the ALT heading is 048. You can see the compass move from 043 to 054. This can get worse than this. Also the altitude goes up and down from 150 to 160 meters, thats a lot!. How do I tune the MFD to get the heading and altitude rock solid please?
https://youtu.be/NjmXVud5cak
PS the video reproduction is rubbish but thats the DVD recorder, its great in the gogs.
Increase cruise P first, if it hits it's heading but struggles to keep it then decrease Cruise D.
Same with altitude. Increase P , D normally does not need adjustment. Be careful though getting carried away with high settings, go two high with both of them and you will find in a RTH situation it will try too hard to turn and climb and put you in a stall.
So after a 30 min flight yesterday the flight log said I had used 3670 ma, when I charged the cell I had used 6750. Does this mean I have a dodgy current sensor? I have checked the amps draw with a watt meter and that seems correct.
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Yes, let me look the thread up for you. Its to do with the drivers. If your new MFD is in a black case it will be the latest FW anyway. When you first boot up the AP there will be a splash screen on the OSD that will tell you the Firmware Version.
Make sure you are connecting the Dongle correctly. See this Video for help
https://youtu.be/3LZs9jiOMkg
and
https://youtu.be/rF9XudGq0eA
Did you buy from mfd direct?
Have you tried to connect to mission planner?
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That looks as if its the Dongle thats an issue to me but I am no expert. Have you spoken to FlyingWings? He may have an answer but to my knowledge the dongle comes with the AP in the same box. I asked where you bought it as there was a fake web shop selling fake MFD products earlier in the year. I am not suggesting that is the case with flyingwings though.
Try posting the problem on http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1982275&page=412 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1982275&page=412)
Thinking about this again, you should have a jumper. You only dont need a jumper if the AP has a power supply to it. So the AP need to be powered by 12 volts to connect to MP.
Not sure if this is the same issue, but some FTDI drivers are funny about being opened at the speed they are configured for.
Whatever speed you are trying to connect at (57600, 115200 etc) go into Device Manager ( right click computer > properties > device manager) then find the FTDI device, right click and go into the driver properties, if it has a port settings tab then select the bps rate you are trying to connect at plus all the other parity, stop bits settings there and click oK.
I've had to do that with certain drivers before to get them to connect. If that doesn't work I haven't seen the chip you've got as my MFD stuff is older, but can head over to Robs and we'll take a look at a new set.
All FlyingWings' MFD products came straight from Charles, I know for sure.
tried to get my mfd connected by bluetooth as well but never had no joy, it connected to the lappy as the mfd bluetooth status leds said it had yet no data was sent over to mission planner, tried different braudrates and went in to the mfd menu and turned btu on
oh did you go in to device manager then to system and right click on bluetooth and set that braudrate to match as well ?
I never have from a PC but have from Android a few times.
will have to try my andiod tablet will download planner now
you update it from the gps module bud, just take the wires off and shove them in the supplied usb to ttl
i have two of the usb ftdi units from charles at mfd, want one sending ?
(http://s8.postimg.org/q8oavag6p/11709421_10152994227048097_8696536821754200300_n.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/q8oavag6p/)
Quote from: capn_banks on November 24, 2015, 12:03:56 AM
lol ktnch read above for the full problem.
Anyway guys all sorted and this is important information to anyone who gets the new MFD AP!:
I stubled accross this video by accident. Just a guy I recently subscribed to.
http://youtu.be/Ix4t-_RZ7NI
I had seen my PC register it as a CH340, which is what caught my attention, and it seems there are issues with these and in particular FTDI software/hardware (whatever that is I don't know but is supplied by MFD).
It didn't feel right downloading an unknown chineese .exe file but the comments in youtube were positive.
Basically after install I retried and finally it worked!
You should post this info on the RC groups thread as it's very important.
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I have also sent an email and what's app message to Charles re this issue and a request to update the manual. No reply yet. I do hope he doesn't start ignoring customer services, that's what killed Rlink and FY Tech for serious users in the end.
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Right, I have a weird one for you MFD AP ers.
My MFD has been working spot on with no issues at all, until this morning that is. After flying yesterday in near still air I was trying to get the in flight tuning to work with the model on the bench. (I dont have enough channels due to the stupid Futaba lack of 8 channels ppm, so can only get 7 out)). I was running through the switch assignments to check I had the correct commands on the OSD, model on the stand, props off, Luckily. Hit RTH and it went to full throttle. Now I can confirm that this has not happened before to me but I seem to remember it happening to Ian? Obviously I can engage throttle safety, but I have never had to before. SO whats changed, what have I undone or done? I thought there was a default that stopped RTH working below a certain height? I can also confirm that Home was set to my current location.
EDIT
Looks like I might answer my own question here:
20140509 (MFD_AP_V1.14)
1. Bug fixed: AUTOPILOT SETTINGS->KEEP ALT RTH function doesn't work. With firmware V1.13 the plane will dive to SAFE ALT when RTH if this option is activated.
2. With PPM connection mode, CH3/CH4 input channel will become PWM output port and output CH7/CH8 channel of the PPM input.
3. THROTTLE SAFETY will disengage when distance to home > 30m
4. Better AirSpeed accuracy.
If I accidentally turned throttle safety off this could be the answer? Solution, turn it on and dont hit RTH unless the model is more than 30 meters away?
Another question regarding ALT* When in ALT* the compass heading is adjusted by the rudder stick. How do I change the scale of change from 10 degree jumps to 1 degree?
Quote from: BigT on January 20, 2016, 03:09:47 PM
If I accidentally turned throttle safety off this could be the answer? Solution, turn it on and dont hit RTH unless the model is more than 30 meters away?
Nope, I had throttle safety still on and it still can do it. Since the last firmware update I can't remember it doing it more than once though. All Charles had to do was put in a failsafe of [If airspeed <10kph disable RTH] There is zero point in a plane that is not moving trying to RTH in any circumstance so then it would never power up. Seems simple enough to add to the program, but did he ? Nope lol
Quote from: BigT on January 20, 2016, 03:38:43 PM
Another question regarding ALT* When in ALT* the compass heading is adjusted by the rudder stick. How do I change the scale of change from 10 degree jumps to 1 degree?
I use dual rates for that, high rates for large steps, flick to low rates for smaller steps.
Quote from: Coyote on January 20, 2016, 04:40:03 PM
Nope, I had throttle safety still on and it still can do it. Since the last firmware update I can't remember it doing it more than once though. All Charles had to do was put in a failsafe of [If airspeed <10kph disable RTH] There is zero point in a plane that is not moving trying to RTH in any circumstance so then it would never power up. Seems simple enough to add to the program, but did he ? Nope lol
Got an answer from Schumix
I think it is also linked with speed. If the plane is not moving faster than 5km/h when RTH is engaged then motors will not spin, otherwise - they'll start. Also, don't be confused... Launch mode is different than RTH, so of course it works differently Launch has nothing to do with RTH settings.
and he was spot on
Found the issue and you are absolutely correct. Yesterday flying in still air the air speed and ground speed where the same within 1 or 2 kph. I had calibrated Airspeed before take off and everything worked very well in all modes. I have just checked on the bench and the indicated air speed is now showing 27 kph indoors so obviously telling the AP that it was outside the 5kph threshold. I re calibrated in the workshop and now indicated airspeed is zero and switching to RTH shows Throttle Safe on the OSD.
I agree that it is supposed to do that, no argument. But when mine sliced my fingers to bits it was in my dining room with zero airflow to my airspeed sensor so I could not have been registering any airspeed at all. Yet it still went full throttle and charged at me :)
That was the last time I went in the menu with the props on in the house and the last time I trusted a "safety feature" that was built it.
My indicated air speed was 27kph on the OSD. I can only assume that was due to the temperature change from when I calibrated it pre flight in an air temp of 0c to the inside of the house which was at 21.5c. When I calibrated it indoors the indicated airs speed reading went to 0. Could this have been what happened to you? When the ASI is connected the AP reads that for calculation not gps speed for all auto flight modes. That's as I understand it.
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Quote from: Coyote on January 20, 2016, 04:41:14 PM
I use dual rates for that, high rates for large steps, flick to low rates for smaller steps.
I'll try that, good job I have lots of switches. The challenge is remembering what they do. I have started keeping a control and battery log for every model now.
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Quote from: BigT on January 21, 2016, 08:38:07 AM
Could this have been what happened to you?
Quite possibly Tim, at the time though I didn't record or look at the display for reasons of greater importance heheh So I couldn't say for sure, now though its props off every time or point it into the open field when going in the menu to knowingly save anything.
QuoteI'll try that, good job I have lots of switches. The challenge is remembering what they do. I have started keeping a control and battery log for every model now.
Yeah with 12 channels used its a tall task remembering every position of every switch while you are effectively blindfolded :)
MFD AUTOPILOT ON SALE AT GOODLUCKBUY. With MFD not answering e mails for support or sales I wonder if it's now best to go through retailers. GOODLUCKBUY are doing a free shipping deal at the moment http://www.goodluckbuy.com/mfd-autopilot-fpv-flight-control-system-integrated-tracking-encoder-for-fixed-wing-aircraft.html?currency=gbp&selected_section=discussion
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so has Charles officially jacked it in then?
The official word is ......There is no official word.
If anyone manages to make any form of contact with Charles they are to alert the Chinese missing persons helpline immediately.
Rumours have it that he has sold his part of the business due to health problems but I have to take that as with everything else regarding his whereabouts or actions as pure speculation :)
Ian with your electronics expertise plus other skilled contributors on this forum and given the other multitude of skills available here in the UK, what are the possibility of developing a copy of an autopilot as good as the mfd AP as a going product?
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Not good to be honest, I wouldn't know where to start but cost wise just couldn't compete.
To be honest I'm not overly concerned, it's Chinese new year so communication will be zero. As long as they keep making them I see no problem. Buy from a dealer instead of them direct from now on. Then you do have customer support.
Pissing me off to be honest. Dumped Fy due to bad customer support, in favour of mfd which was very good. Now he's MIA. Of course if his eyes are fecked it's a bloody shame. I've got soooo much money into mfd now. It's like deciding when to bail out of a shares option. I'm beginning to wonder if I should look at my ruby or back to Fy.
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It's a shame if the feller has health problems but it seems like he has been struggling for a long time. It's a shame because they clearly have the technical skills to build awesome bits of kit but the business side of thing seems to be non-existent. If he had someone handling that side of things I think MFD could have been way more successful.
I don't understand your worries or concerns to be honest.
- You can buy the product from reputable sellers without issue. If there is a fault you can return the goods
- Everything works as advertised
- There are manuals available for all the products that when followed are perfectly good
- There is no need for any upgrades in the future because everything works as it should
What is the problem exactly ?
Quote from: Coyote on February 21, 2016, 11:14:05 PM
I don't understand your worries or concerns to be honest.
- You can buy the product from reputable sellers without issue. If there is a fault you can return the goods
- Everything works as advertised
- There are manuals available for all the products that when followed are perfectly good
- There is no need for any upgrades in the future because everything works as it should
What is the problem exactly ?
You're right of course. So logical😀. And at the moment, cheap.
As I've said before, we don't understand the Asian mentality, they don't admit defeat, or any sort of setback. A UK or North American company would issue a well spun statement. The Asians just ignore the problem till a solution arrives.
Let's hope!
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Quote from: BigT on February 21, 2016, 11:05:20 PMI'm beginning to wonder if I should look at my ruby or back to Fy.
You're forgetting Eagle Tree Vector of course... OK, so not as cheap as FY but it's at least as good as MFD (some would argue, better in some cases, but that's not what this thread is about, so....)
But I think Coyote is right... There's no need for concern right now, just buy a MFD.
Quote from: BlueFlyer on February 21, 2016, 11:26:45 PM
You're forgetting Eagle Tree Vector of course... OK, so not as cheap as FY but it's at least as good as MFD (some would argue, better in some cases, but that's not what this thread is about, so....)
But I think Coyote is right... There's no need for concern right now, just buy a MFD.
I plan to at the GOODLUCKBUY price. It's just I always look for future proof kit and I thought mfd was it.
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There is something to be said for having manufacturer support though... just depends how much you paid and how much you expect.
I mean who expects support on their VTX's or Servos? You don't, they break and you just replace em.
With an OSD, if it just works then you probably need not care. If there are issues and you need firmware updates? Then it's a completely different story.
An update on Charles and MFD.
I was speaking to him yesterday and Chinese New Year has just finished. Officallly it ended last week, but they allow companies to give staff an extra week (un-paid) to continue to celebrate with family they couldnt see due to work or distance.
Charles said that orders will start to be shipped by end of this week.
Quote from: Cockney Boy on February 22, 2016, 05:04:10 PM
An update on Charles and MFD.
I was speaking to him yesterday and Chinese New Year has just finished. Officallly it ended last week, but they allow companies to give staff an extra week (un-paid) to continue to celebrate with family they couldnt see due to work or distance.
Charles said that orders will start to be shipped by end of this week.
What method of communication did you used? You say speak, was that verbally?
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He was in the chippy with Elvis..... :laugh:
Great product... nothing is future proof! The best thing about the mfd AP is that it simply works.
Tim, check out pitlabs autopilot if you're after something non Asian and local.....
Quote from: Gundummy on February 22, 2016, 11:20:01 PM
He was in the chippy with Elvis..... :laugh:
Great product... nothing is future proof! The best thing about the mfd AP is that it simply works.
Tim, check out pitlabs autopilot if you're after something non Asian and local.....
Not for me thanks. I'll stick with the mfd until it packs up or I get bored with FPV and move on to pastures new or legislated out. So far I can agree with Ian in that it's mostly user error causing problems. Certainly in my case that's true.
Sic: "speak" in modern lingo could mean anything from text to an actual verbal chat via 2 yoghurt cartons and a length of string
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Was over 5 e-mails. Was asking him about "fly together" and if they plan on doing spares.
So you don't actually know it was Charles. It could have been anyone. I would have known his voice but he is not answering the phone.
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Quote from: BigT on February 23, 2016, 12:03:06 AM
So you don't actually know it was Charles. It could have been anyone. I would have known his voice but he is not answering the phone.
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Have a little faith in folk. So what's his number then?
Quote from: Cockney Boy on February 23, 2016, 12:26:18 AM
Have a little faith in folk. So what's his number then?
I used to get him on WhatsApp on +8618688404917
However, I do have some positive news regarding MFD. Following inquiries through a retailer in the EU I can report here the following quote:
"Charles did not sell the company, he only got an investor on board which expanded his company big time. This needed his full attention and he was also aware of the bad service from the sales person that was handling it all for him. She is gone and will be replaced next week for a new experienced sales person. Then all will going way better. I have placed a large order for MFD AP, MTD, MFD UHF and MFD AAT which should be arriving in the next few weeks"
I like a happy ending ;D
Hopefully we'll see some more products from them.
Speaking to Rob today he said he'd placed a big order for AP's and trackers and they arrived pretty quick, so it looks like even if Charles is on hiatus the commercial side is running well.
Just received mine from flying wings. Connected it all as per video and my Möbius has decided to frazzle its self. I have just ordered an he camera from hobbyrc to get things running. I cannot get the hardware updated though as my windows vista computer doesn't seem to like it. Anyone else having this problem???
Looking forward to some good weather and flying opportunities.
I have posted some videos on YouTube under my kentishbiggles tab.
Enjoy
You connected a 5v Mobius to the 12v MFD AP Camera input ?
The MFD boards are notoriously problematic to get drivers loaded on a decent operating system, I'm not sure if you'd have any luck at all on Vista!
The MFD should be running the latest release though, as those units will not have been in stock very long. TBH I've had my MFD units for two years now and have not updated them ever, they work perfectly and I don't feel the need to.
Unless anyone can point you to a guide on making the drivers work on Windows 7 (I think there's a guide on here somewhere) then its about time I pulled my finger out and did one.
Neil.
Never had an issue with win 7 and the mfd. as long as you are using the correct dongle with the correct update prog from mfd. Which version of möbius is yours? The v2/3 can take 12 volts but v1 is 5v. As i says the latest mfd should be 1.7 so if it's a black case one it will be current anyway.
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and how about windows 10, as you like it so much Neil :laugh:
It's been a couple of hours since I last used my Windows 10 PC so there's 67 updates and 11 restarts to do until I can use it again probably.
Only 67 ? ? ? They are getting better already :)
I'm actually getting on with it :chatsplat:
Quote from: Coyote on February 29, 2016, 06:43:57 PM
You connected a 5v Mobius to the 12v MFD AP Camera input ?
Pretty sure I have the later version but it has been messing around recently. I have put an hs1117 on order and will take careful notice of the voltage input!!
I will connect up the full works and post a picture before powering up!!!!
Quote from: Rob T on February 29, 2016, 08:23:54 PM
Pretty sure I have the later version but it has been messing around recently. I have put an hs1117 on order and will take careful notice of the voltage input!!
I will connect up the full works and post a picture before powering up!!!!
Connect up as per advice from Coyote regarding ground loop.
Everything went live, on screen display went live; no picture!
Resorted to the usual method of swearing at the kit then realised I had left the lens cap on!
Going for a lay down......
I like the MFD....So, wheres the best UK supplier...and how much is one these days..?
I like the Vector also, but the text looks a bit iffy, and I like the smooth direction pointer on the MFD....Decisions...:(
:vulture:
MFD -- Flyingwings UK based
http://flyingwings.co.uk/fpv-uav/fpv-systems/autopilots/myflydream.html (http://flyingwings.co.uk/fpv-uav/fpv-systems/autopilots/myflydream.html)
Quote from: karlak on March 04, 2016, 01:21:22 PM
MFD -- Flyingwings UK based
http://flyingwings.co.uk/fpv-uav/fpv-systems/autopilots/myflydream.html (http://flyingwings.co.uk/fpv-uav/fpv-systems/autopilots/myflydream.html)
Second that. Got mine there and no problems at all.
Quote from: English Turbines on March 04, 2016, 01:03:27 PM
I like the MFD....So, wheres the best UK supplier...and how much is one these days..?
I like the Vector also, but the text looks a bit iffy, and I like the smooth direction pointer on the MFD....Decisions...:(
:vulture:
What text have you seen that looks iffy?
Quote from: Rob T on March 04, 2016, 06:17:15 PM
Second that. Got mine there and no problems at all.
Plus Rob actually flies on MFD AP's so you get support with practical experience.
Hi,
New to all this, if some of you experienced pilots out there could help me out. i have recently bought a mfd ap and tbs crossfire and would like some info from you guys, (i'm trying to setup a flying wing)
1/ I have a Taranis x9d+ on V2.1.xx and enabled the tbs digital CRSF
2/ connected single servo cable from AP channel 6 to tbs channel 1 for ppm
3/ connected two servos to Ail & Elev on the AP
4/ setup the 2 switches and can change between flight modes
5/ i have set a model through the wizard (wing) on the Taranis and i can put the throttle and two servos on any channel
6/ also setup another model without the wizard but then have to change on the mixer page and put the throttle on channel 1 and servos on channel 2 & 3
7/ i can get into the OSD menu with switch 5 back Elev top middle switch 5 front, trying to change the setting i can't do without affecting something else, i'll change something and try move down but then i've gone back to the main menu.
I hope this make sense...if you can tell me what i'm doing wrong or put some screen shots up your install and Taranis screens
Your Taranis model needs to have the wing template turned off. No mixing on the radio at all.
Then select wing from the menu in the AP so the MFD AP does the mixing.
If you had the radio mixing aileron and elevator you can not navigate the menu because it's mixing the outputs so the A/P does not get clear or accurate inputs.
Put Aile on channel 1
Put Elev on channel 2
Put Thr on channel 3 in the Taranis if you are using channel 6 ( futaba channel order )
Coyote,
Thanks for your reply i will give that a try
Regards
Rob, just looked at your channel (I'm in kent too!). Did you get the headtracking sorted in the end?
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Quote from: elmattbo on March 08, 2016, 12:51:55 PM
Rob, just looked at your channel (I'm in kent too!). Did you get the headtracking sorted in the end?
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I'm afraid I gave at present but will try again later and let you know how I get on. Have you managed to get it to work????
I'm re-acquainting myself with my MFD AP, having not looked at it for months. Bit of a daft problem, but I couldn't sort it months ago and still can't.....
I can change the characters for the PILOT ID but can't exit the menu with the sticks to go and save the alteration. The only way I can exit the pilot Id text selection screen is by flipping my ch5 switch off. When I select to enter the MFD menu again it takes me straight back into the pilot ID text selection screen. The only way to start into a clean menu is to power off the MFD .
It says in the manual " Lower your THR and move to left to quit the keyboard input screen. " I'm set to 100% output on my sticks.
My Pilot ID is set to a 4 letter word that I don't feel is a fair description of me and wouldn't want broadcasting across 5.8ghz :-)
Not a serious problem but a niggle .... anyone got any ideas ?
I remember having a bit of chew with this myself once, I will plug one of the planes in and have a look to confirm.
Thanks Ian, much appreciated.
I have just done it now.
Enter using the right aileron. Use aileron and elevator to navigate the keyboard. Use throttle to select the key.
When finished go minimum throttle and full left rudder to come out of the menu. The new ID should be displayed, so to save to save it.
Thanks Ian,
I'll have another look at it. Having no rudder set up might be my problem ..... :D
Pardon me if this has asked before but is there an idiots guide to setting up MFD with Taranis? I noticed from a video by Coyote that he used three position switches whereas the manual states channel five should be a two position switch. Or have I missed it again???
Regards.
I have mine set on 2x 3 position switches. I do this so it is setup to give me :
Manual mode
Stabilized mode
Circle mode
Cruise mode
Return to home
I have no interesting in waypoints so don't need them.
I have channel 6 as :
Low - Manual
Mid - Stabilized modes
High - RTH
If Ch6 is Low ( Manual ) or high ( RTH ) Ch5 is ignored. If Ch6 is mid ( stabilized mode ) then Ch5 can change what type of stabilization is used.
I have channel 5 as :
Low - Level flight
Mid - Circle mode
High - Cruise ( heading and altitude hold )
I have it different to the manual because I wanted to be able to have circle and alt hold. It took me a while to work out how to do it but you can. I don't know of any youtube tutorial to do it how I did it.
For info putting channels 5 and 6 on two X 3 position switches be done on a Futaba tx as well. That's how mine is on the 14SG.
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If your Tx has a rotary knob on it - isn't it just easier to swop out the rotary knob for a 6 position rotary switch ?
http://www.t9hobbysport.com/frsky-taranis-tx-modifications-and-upgrades (http://www.t9hobbysport.com/frsky-taranis-tx-modifications-and-upgrades)
Wonder if these would be OK to also replace a rotary knob on a Futaba Tx??
Quote from: wgt40w on March 13, 2016, 09:47:50 AM
If your Tx has a rotary knob on it - isn't it just easier to swop out the rotary knob for a 6 position rotary switch ?
http://www.t9hobbysport.com/frsky-taranis-tx-modifications-and-upgrades (http://www.t9hobbysport.com/frsky-taranis-tx-modifications-and-upgrades)
Wonder if these would be OK to also replace a rotary knob on a Futaba Tx??
Maybe on the Futaba but I wouldn't want the control on a rotary, I prefer the switches, I use the 2 rotary knobs on the tx for trimming the pan and tilt, or in flight tuning of the mfd. using two 3 pops switches was a piece of cake on the Futaba, unusual that!
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Quote from: Coyote on March 12, 2016, 11:46:49 PM
I have mine set on 2x 3 position switches. I do this so it is setup to give me :
Manual mode
Stabilized mode
Circle mode
Cruise mode
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I have no interesting in waypoints so don't need them.
I have channel 6 as :
Low - Manual
Mid - Stabilized modes
High - RTH
If Ch6 is Low ( Manual ) or high ( RTH ) Ch5 is ignored. If Ch6 is mid ( stabilized mode ) then Ch5 can change what type of stabilization is used.
I have channel 5 as :
Low - Level flight
Mid - Circle mode
High - Cruise ( heading and altitude hold )
I have it different to the manual because I wanted to be able to have circle and alt hold. It took me a while to work out how to do it but you can. I don't know of any youtube tutorial to do it how I did it.
I'll give it a go. Thanks.
BINGO!
Many thanks!!
The MFD AP is no longer listed on the MFD web site. Either withdrawn from sale or going to be updated? That would be S**t if he's stopping making it.
Quote from: BigT on March 23, 2016, 02:38:32 PM
The MFD AP is no longer listed on the MFD web site. Either withdrawn from sale or going to be updated? That would be S**t if he's stopping making it.
Could this be the one that supports VTOL i wonder........
I wonder, that would probably need more than 4 control surfaces I suppose.
Quote from a EU retailer when asked if he had any news.
Im not allowed to tell anything since some changes are going on there. But I will deliver replacement or updated AP boards.
MFD will continue with the OSD, AP and tracking systems but at the moment its on a hold.
I will be the European agent for MFD....
I will have some new boards online soon...
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There's no problems in supply of the telefly pro, AP and trackers
I will maintain my stock, as best i can for the UK
Ta Rob
Flyingwings.co.uk
ITS BACK FOR SALE ON THE MFD WEB SITE
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Made my first "mod" to the MFD AP today...
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Will be lining the base of the new Skywalker Revolution "ESC bay" with flat lego sheet, so I can move it around as needed.
Whilst I appreciate the MFD is initially on 2 self adhesive pads - are they enough to isolate the the autopilot internal gyros and sensors from vibration ?
Manual says no damping is required
Sorry, didn't know that!
I initially had doubts regarding vibe isolation too, maybe someone who's using this currently can comment on what vibe isolation they're using and it's effectiveness
All mine are mounted without dampers, no problems with vibrations at all.
Thought you were a vector boy Chris, Kind of recall you saying you would never get a mfd lol
good thing is we both will be relayed on the same screen now thats if you have an att
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Good old Velcro for mine
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Quote from: Coyote on April 01, 2016, 08:24:22 PM
All mine are mounted without dampers, no problems with vibrations at all.
That's reassuring, cheers Coyote
Quote from: ktnch on April 01, 2016, 08:44:29 PM
Thought you were a vector boy Chris, Kind of recall you saying you would never get a mfd lol
I certainly did, and I also said I'd never get a tracker... however I seized a few opportunities over the last few weeks and this change in direction has cost me nothing, you know me... always after a bargain lol
Quote from: ktnch on April 01, 2016, 08:44:29 PMgood thing is we both will be relayed on the same screen now thats if you have an aat
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I'm still not sure how the AAT gets this information back up to the aircraft, the AAT is receive only?!?
Also, I don't have bluetooth on my AAT.
I think Bluetooth was removed in the latest version. You now have to connect via the USB interface
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Still... how does the AAT Driver "send" the location of the other plane up to your OSD?
The Fly together function is done by connecting the AAT's together via the 6 pin connector on the driver. The cable that comes with the AAT is only about 5" so you have to extend it.
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Got Bluetooth on the last black version i bought maybe a new thing
lets do it chris lol
I understand the bit where the AATs talk to each other... but...
How does the AAT then get that information UP to the MFD AP on the aircraft?
you mean to come up on your osd ?
nope, ignore me... I get it now
the AAT overlays that information to the video feed on the ground...
I'm with ya ;)
Please tell me MFD AP supports EzUHF RSSI through PPM...?
Quote from: BlueFlyer on April 04, 2016, 10:49:06 PM
Please tell me MFD AP supports EzUHF RSSI through PPM...?
Not it doesn't, the only way is with a Dax
http://www.sishobby.com/en/electronics/82-rssi-dax-for-ezuhf.html (http://www.sishobby.com/en/electronics/82-rssi-dax-for-ezuhf.html)
really starting to regret getting MFD AP now lol
the MFD AP only has a single pin for analogue RSSI.
I will be using a DAX converter to change the ezuhf rssi to analogue.
Am I right in thinking that all I'll need to do is connect the signal wire from the DAX output side to this single pin on the MFD AP? as it already shares a common ground by being powered from the EzUHF (which is in turn powered by 5V bec powered from main LiPo)
Yes
cheers Ian... are you using a DAX for your RSSI?
I do via the crossfire but also used it with EZUHF as well.
Hi guys just got a mfd ap from flyingwings and just got back from the field from the maiden flight. All i can say is wow am happy. Tornado going on ebay . I really like the unit. stabalize mode was great from the off circle mode and atitude mode worked great too and rth worked like a treat well happy i got this unit. Need a little help with the osd navigation is there a setting to reverse the osd navigation? I am having to move my sticks the opposite way to scroll through the osd menus changing settings can be a pain. I cant reverse it in my tx as this will reverse my control surfaces. Any help would be mush appreciated thanks guys
I don't understand what you mean by reversed. You access the menu and the elevator control scrolls the menu up or down, on my Futaba up elevator moves the highlighted menu bar down on the menu and up is the reverse. I then use roll control to select the menu option. I have no idea if it's reversed or not it just seems logical to me. What radio do you have?
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Thanks bigt. What i mean is i have to give up elevator (stick down)to scroll up and roll left to go right so its backwards when it comes to programming. I suppose i can live with it but it would be nice if i could make it go the right way
Using a taranis x9d plus
Strange, you are absolutely sure that you don't have the servos reversed in the tx and then corrected in the AP? When I set up a new model with any AP I put a Rx in the model first to check every surface works in the correct sense. Then I install the AP and if needed make changes in the menu.
I don't use or know Taranis, I have only used Futaba for 40 odd years, currently a 14SG
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Yes i have reversed some channels in tx to get the correct movement The manual states when doing setup to get correct stick movement from servos use reverse in tx and to get correct gyro compensation use reverse in the osd and thats how did it. Maybe i have done something wrong
Why not. Change the elevator in tx and see what happens. It has been noted that some radios need end points extending to get channels working correctly. You obviously did the set up flight correctly, all the calibrations etc. Cal joystick etc
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Because that will reverse my elevator giving me incorrect control
Not to fly but to ground test. I'll check mine later
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Yes bigt thats what i just thought just reverse in tx do what i need to do in the osd then just put it back.JUST DONT FORGET TO PUT IT BACK. Could be a oh s $$t moment lol.... thanks bigT
If you used the wrong combination of rudder and aileron input to get into your menu it will scroll and select in the menu the wrong way, so right stick will exit instead on enter etc.
Quote from: Coyote on April 09, 2016, 06:28:55 PM
If you used the wrong combination of rudder and aileron input to get into your menu it will scroll and select in the menu the wrong way, so right stick will exit instead on enter etc.
Yes coyote many many thanks for that info. I didnt know there was 2 ways to enter the menu mfd is new to me. Big thanks
I just tried mine out. Normally i don't use rudder to get into menu, I have always gone full up, full left roll to get into menu. Just did that and the menu scrolls the right way. So I. Tried full up full right and the menu still scrolls right way. Wtf. I fly mode 2 ( throttle rudder left stick). Btw used to fly mode 3, throttle and elev on right stick but full throttle was stick away, rudder and ail on left. Thinking back I have no idea how I changed over. My brain was much more spongy back then, or was it just we where used to tripping over our baggies
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Ok guys now i got the menu scrolling going the right way thanks to you guys i got another question. My artificial horizon banks the wrong way if i bank my plane to the left my art hor shows banking to the right can this be changed thanks
When you bank the plane, is the line being displayed matching the ground level in front of the plane ?
Quote from: Coyote on April 10, 2016, 09:52:10 AM
When you bank the plane, is the line being displayed matching the ground level in front of the plane ?
Thanks am not sure i understand what you mean. If i bank right the line is like this / and vise versa
No matter which way you bank, the line shows you where the horizon is, that's the point of it, an artificial horizon.
For example :
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The plane in this picture is banking to the right, so the horizon in the picture drops at the left and raises at the right hand side, you can see the artificial horizon in the picture tries to match this so if you can not see the real horizon you still know where it is.
Oh right i get it now i always used it the other way round well when i say always i am talking video games lol..thanks for explaining that to me
Quote from: djhandz on April 10, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
Oh right i get it now i always used it the other way round well when i say always i am talking video games lol..thanks for explaining that to me
Doesn't matter what format, games, OSD, real life flying, compass on a gimbal, the artificial horizon mimics the real horizon. Imagine it's dark and you are on instruments. Don't get confused with the little tell tale outline of the plane on some OSD
Lovin this unit.. ok was messing with circle mode today but my turning circle was huge it was like 250 meters and i have the setting on the lowest setting off the top of my head cant remember exact number but something like 60 or 70. Any tips on getting my circle tighter?. And also i like to cruise around alt/cruise mode is it ok to set min throttle at 0 if not what is a good setting. This is on a bix3 thanks guys
Wind will impact your circling a lot, failing that its playing with the PID's and mainly the P value for cruise.
You can set throttle for 0 but it is advised to set it for your minimum throttle to maintain its cruise speed.
Thankyou yes it was quite windy i will have a play about next time out. Just got in to this fpv business i reaĺly like it ant had my helis out for a while need get em out so i dont loose the skills. Flying helis taught me how to fly a plane lol :D
Is your read out metric or imperial? Your circle setting is radius not diameter. 70 meters radius is a big circle for a small plane like the Bixler. As Ian says wind will have a factor and if you are using the ass and it is not calibrated correctly it will be fighting the head wind so take time and calibrate the ass. In a dead calm mine is within 2kph of the GPS. Re speed, after calibration you will be able to,set the min cruise speed used for RTH etc but take care not to set it too low as it could induce a downwind stall in a RTH situation. Again it's a matter of knowing your planes flight envelope. Another tip, if for any reason you change any of the flight trims either on purpose or by accident always cal joystick.
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Thanks bigt whats the best way to calibrate the air speed sensor ?
Go into menu then look for sensors, you'll find cal air speed sensor there, make sure the wind doesn't affect the reading while calibrating otherwise your wasting your time
I need to tap into one of the GPS cables and add a Y connector so that I can supply GPS data to my Dragonlink Rx. Cab anyone tell me which of the GPS cables is it that i need to tap into? I know it will be either the yellow or the white. (?)
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Quote from: djhandz on April 14, 2016, 09:22:11 AM
Thanks bigt whats the best way to calibrate the air speed sensor ?
This is how I did it :
Choose a day or time to fly when there is very little wind. Allow the AP to warm up for about 5 mins, carry out normal pre flight calibrations.
Take off and fly straight and level up wind noting the GPS speed and Indicated Airspeed.
Fly downwind at the same GPS speed and note airspeed. If the wind is light or none existent the airspeed and GPS speed should be near enough the same.
What you do now is land and adjust the figure in the cal airspeed menu to compensate for the wind speed. If you know the wind speed either by an anemometer or a fellow flier with a pre calibrated asi you can use those figures.
Then fly and test again. When calibrated you should get very accurate upwind downwind readings. The acid test is to do a series of stall tests down wind to check for zero zero readings. But practice stall recovery los first. The mfd has a very benign stall unlike the big skywalkers.
One thing to be very careful of. I find that a big change in ambient temperature has the effect of changing the static reading on the asi. For example I flew in minus temp conditions, carrying out the usual cal asi before the flight. I then stored the model in my heated workshop. A few weeks later I powered up the model to do a pre flight check on video before leaving home and without the tx on and it immediately went to RTH full throttle. Luckily I had the props off. I traced the issue to a static indicated air speed of 28 mph which had bi passed the throttle safety as the AP thought it was going fast enough to trigger signal loss RTH, the remedy is to ensure the tx is on and airspeed is cal.
Quote from: AdamG on April 17, 2016, 01:16:27 AM
I need to tap into one of the GPS cables and add a Y connector so that I can supply GPS data to my Dragonlink Rx. Cab anyone tell me which of the GPS cables is it that i need to tap into? I know it will be either the yellow or the white. (?)
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I don't know but the one that has Tx printed near it will be the right one.
Thanks Ian.
Out of interest, why does it have a tx and rx? I thought there was only 1 way comms between an AP and the GPS puck and that was the AP receiving data from the GPS.
It can be used for configuring the sensor itself.
well well well, after all this time championing the Eagle Tree vector I have to succumb to the realisation that the MFD AP is actually a really good AP
It's fairly simple (once you get to grips with the menus etc) and just does what it's supposed to do, and with the built in AAT capability (if you actually have a working AAT :( ) it's a great AP
Aside from the fact that you have to sort out your own power requirements (I'm fully capable of installing BECs where they're needed) the only down side from my perspective is the OSD itself. It's dated and quite hard to read sometimes.
I guess I've just been spoilt by the uber configurability and customisation of the vector OSD.
I'm actually seriously considering selling my last remaining Vector to fund the purchase of a new MFD AP... I know.... what's happening to BlueFlyer!?!??! first he repairs a crashed plane, now he's wanting to sell a Vector!!!
I guess I'm just open to change if it suits me.
I'll never use another OSD. The auto launch and AAT make it the best.
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Purely out of theoretical interest -
For a fixed wing plane that does not have an MFD autopilot, but with a stabilisation unit
Would it be possible to set up an 'auto launch' by creating a tx switch controlled mix - of throttle (at a fixed in mix amount) + elevator (at a set amount of up).
So get plane and tx on as usual / put tx on ground / pick up plane / activate switch with foot and launch plane / pick up tx / switch off launch mix and fly.
On reflection, for safety reasons, amend the above so that it needs 2 switches to arm.
Yep', the other week I spent an entire day dicking about with an APM on my Skywalker to no avail. I used to work with APM all the time and thought it was the best but the constant plugging USB in, configuring, testing, plugging in the USB, etc etc etc got on my nerves. After ripping the APM out I put in a MFD AP and 30 minutes later I was ready to fly.
Brilliant AP, sh1te support.
Many people have already created such mixes, but I think the beauty of the feature being built into the AP is that you don't have to mess with often complicated mixing.
He has seen the light !!!!!!!
Took a while but knew you would :)
I've been out in the garden fiddling with the MFD AP in my skywalker revolution just so I can get used to it after over a year of using the Vector.
It's not too bad at all once you remember your switch positions, and I've now managed to get it into launch mode.
However, whilst I was figuring it out, the MFD AP would spin my motor up when in circle or RTH mode, even though it's stationary on the ground right next to me. I could have sworn there was some kind of safety feature that prevented that. If you're wondering why I was putting it in RTH mode when I wasn't flying it, it's because I was setting the failsafe on the EzUHF.
Another thing, is that the MFD AP did NOT automatically set home position and worryingly "home" was showing as 15km away.
I had to do a full power cycle of the skywalker in order to make the MFD AP set it's current location as home. Once I had done this, the throttle safety then started to work as expected, stopping the motor from spinning up when in circle or RTH mode.
I now think I'm on top of it, but just to be on the safe side I'm going to stay away from my vector powered SkyRay for a while as that will just mess with my mojo.
I think I'm dead set on replacing the vector with a MFD AP now.
One of the bugs with MFD is that Charles will not admit to this throttle problem ( which put me in hospital once ) saying throttle safety won't let the motors spin up.
I disagree. Why ( apart from experiencing it myself ) is that it is based on GPS speed. If the plane is not moving the motors will not start. But as more sats are locked it updates to its new more accurate location which then tells the AP that it has moved and therefore has a speed. At which point the motors will kick in if in circle or rather mode.
This can happen if the asi has not been reset either due to a lay off, temperature change, or if you have yet to calibrate the ass. If the AP thinks the airspeed is greater than the default. I had exactly this happen to me on the bench after a lay off. I was 17k away from the last home setting. I powered up the AP to check a new camera set up. The tx was in man flight mode. I did not get a new home setting as I had no sat lock. I did not ini as, or gyro. When I cycled the mode switches The motors went to full power. I thought I had a faulty AP. Luckily the props where off. After analysis of the OSD I saw that the indicated air speed was 25 mph, it was this that triggered RTH. After ini asi it went back to zero and all was as normal.
This should be a standard warning to all MFD AP users IMHO
You don't need both tubes connected as the cabin is not pressurised. Connect the pitot to the inlet nearest the pcb and leave the other off. Ensure the pitot is mounted out of the prop wash and facing forward sticking out at least 20cm. Calibration of the ASI is the key to successful indication. Allow the unit to warm up before flight, especially on cold days. Always cal sensor before first flight.
WARNING
if the indicated AS on the ground is above the detent limit and RTH is engaged or the radio tx is interrupted to simulate a FailSafe situation and the flight battery is connected the motors will run at whatever full throttle you have set in the menu. This can happen easily if, for example the plane was flown in very cold conditions and cal airspeed was done before the flight, then the plane was brought into a heated store. Then the plane was powered up on the bench with the tx off. In my case the indicated as was 28 mph causing the throttle to go to full regardless of having throttle safety engaged. Very dangerous.
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Well I don't have the airspeed sensor installed so I'm thinking the throttle coming on was due to the fact that the AP "thought" it was 14km away and therefore it is safe to put throttle on to get it back home.
Once I did a power cycle and the AP re-set home position, the throttle would not come on in RTH or Circle mode, only when I pushed the throttle stick up.
It's just one to be aware of and keep an eye on, that the MFD AP doesn't always automatically re-set home position for some unknown reason.
This actually happened to a friend who had been (like me) tinkering with his plane in his garden, then when he got to the field he launched his plane without checking the MFD AP had reset the home position. He was flying for only a few minutes when we noticed his distance from home was over 3km, which was impossible for the amount of time he had been flying. he tried to navigate home using the home arrow, but his picture was getting weaker and weaker until it eventually disappeared all together so he put the MFD AP into RTH mode.
I had an idea that perhaps his plane might have been literally trying to fly home, back to his house. We drove around the roads nearby with the VRX and monitor switched on and found a signal, the GPS coords were just barely readable so we popped them into google maps and went to get his plane.
There it was, exactly where the coords said it would be. When we later plotted a line on google maps from our field to his house, the plane was found about half way along that line.
So clearly this is an issue that needs to be kept aware of, as I imagine Charles certainly isn't going to do anything about it. I'm no coder, but I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult for those who created the AP to put in an instruction or line of code that tells it to delete it's previous home coords on power off and auto-reset home position on each power up.
My Skylark Tiny did a similar thing to me on my last session....It too auto sets home as soon as it finds something like 6 or more Sats....
Its a great feature, and I wish my Storm had it also.....But it did once set "home" about 2kms away from where I was actually flying from.....It found a position dumped it and then found a false one it seems....
The moral is, do your pre flight checks I suppose....
:vulture:
Quote from: BigT on June 04, 2016, 12:06:37 PM
Connect the pitot to the inlet nearest the pcb and leave the other off.
Please can you or coyote confirm which inlet to connect the pitot to i am reading conflicting information thanks
The one I have came with the tube attached to the one furthest from the pub. I too would like to know the proper way before I install it
The port to use is the closest to the PCB. The other higher port is for static which we don't need.
Cool. Thanks
Not at all saying you guys are wrong but just done a couple of batterys and tried the port closest to the green pcb board but does not work if i enter cruise mode it throttle to around 70 percent and stays there regardless of speed. Once i changed back to the other port it was working fine. So for me Works fine using the top port which is the one i have alwayd used
I was sure it's the bottom but will check the Z3 when I get back in to make double sure. The static port won't do pretty much anything if you blow down it, the correct port will push easy 60 kph with a quick blow so it should be obvious which one straight away.
Back home now, just checked, it is indeed the top tube not the bottom tube, my mistake :)
elevator moves back and forth quickly for one cycle when its set the home position least it does on mine.
Quote from: Coyote on June 04, 2016, 08:54:40 PM
Back home now, just checked, it is indeed the top tube not the bottom tube, my mistake :)
glad that's all cleared up lol
Right!!!
That's done it!!
That's made me make my final decision to sell the Vector... Just having a casual read of the MFD AP manual and notice that there's a pre-set model of the mini talon built into the AP...
Someone please take my Vector so I can buy another MFD AP lol
How much ??
Quote from: wgt40w on June 05, 2016, 08:08:44 PM
How much ??
Well brand new they're going for around £175, all UK legal channels and all that. (by that I mean customs paid, uk sellers etc)
But this is one only has the V1 GPS whereas the new ones have the V2. But quite hontestly I did not notice the difference when I had a V1 and a V2 at the same time. As far as I know the only actual difference is the V2 has GLONASS capability and a more sensitive MAG (which Eagle Tree recommend you don't even enable for fixed wing models)
How about £150? That way I can afford to buy the MFD AP straight away.
How
As it's a V1, £130 would be my tops.
Quote from: wgt40w on June 05, 2016, 08:17:40 PM
As it's a V1, £130 would be my tops.
If that's your tops then no worries mate, I'll pop it up in classifieds for £150 see if I can't get an offer of £140 posted perhaps.
Fair enough.
Quote from: wgt40w on June 05, 2016, 08:30:10 PM
Fair enough.
If it's there too long (and my mate around here doesn't want it) then you might be lucky :)
I am also looking going fro pixhawk to the MFD, what do you guys recommend in the way of GPS and airspeed indicator to go with it.
Quote from: PeterT on June 05, 2016, 09:17:25 PM
I am also looking going fro pixhawk to the MFD, what do you guys recommend in the way of GPS and airspeed indicator to go with it.
It comes with a GPS unit. Add the MFD airspeed sensor that they sell separately, worth it.
I looked at the GPS that comes with it, looks to be a real old model, or is is updated to the the latest tek like Neo m8n. the only data I can find on the LS20033 GPS is from 2009. :(
Doesn't matter to me, as long as it works... Which it does
Hi guys. I am switching from a 3s to a 4s setup and was wondering if I am OK to feed the mfd ap with a 4s pack. I know the manual states 3-20v with a recommended 12v but is it ok to run off 4s providing my vtx and camera can handle 4s. 1 more question. Is the altitude measured in feet or meters on the default setting
Thanks guys
Yes you can run from a 4S without problems as long as your camera and vtx are up for it.
It's metric so meters
Quote from: Coyote on June 28, 2016, 07:20:13 PM
Yes you can run from a 4S without problems as long as your camera and vtx are up for it.
It's metric so meters
Many thanks
I have mine setup on 2 battery packs.
4s for motor, 3s for video.
I find it helps with cog amongst other things lol.
I do 4s as well but with a buck and filter to reduce the voltage to the camera.
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I use a lc filter it doesn't drop the voltage but doesn't need to as my cam and vtx are rated up to 25v my video is very clean with this setup...looking for a 2nd mfd ap for my 2nd fx 61 anybody ???
Ok guys I got my second mfd on the way and just wanted a little input from the pro's..my first mfd I bought from flying wings and it came with a turnigy 3amp low noise bec. I did contact flyingwings asking why you should use the external bec instead of esc bec and I was told it's to prevent ground loops which I know very about so I hooked my first mfd up following the advice I received and all has been well so far. So on my second mfd I just wondered if you need to use an external bec or can I use the esc bec for a cleaner install ?
This will be on a fx 61 4s 1 battery setup for flight and 1.3 fpv gear
I'd use a Bec instead of the esc just in case your esc goes pop, you will still have control. I've never had it happen, but escs have a bit of a hard time.
I have 2 BECs on my MFD AP builds.
I use 4S as main flight battery, but in order to provide 12v to the MFD AP I have a dual output 12v BEC http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__62577__Quanum_12V_5A_7_2_25_2V_Dual_Output_UBEC_UK_Warehouse_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__62577__Quanum_12V_5A_7_2_25_2V_Dual_Output_UBEC_UK_Warehouse_.html)
I solder this into the ESC side of the current sensor so the MFD will pick up it's amp draw.
I then send one of the outputs to the MFD AP voltage in pins, and I send the second output to a 5v BEC http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10312__Turnigy_5A_8_26v_SBEC_for_Lipo.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10312__Turnigy_5A_8_26v_SBEC_for_Lipo.html)
I then send the 5V from that to a spare set of pins on the servo/rx rail of the MFD AP (I use PPM input so there are some spare pins where PWM inputs would normally be). This clean, double filtered 5V has more than enough oomph to power all my servos and the EzUHF receiver.
Use an external BEC or you run the risk of a ground loop burning the -ve tracks out then it's bye bye birdy all for the price of a 3A Bec.
External bec it is then. Many thanks guys
Hi guys please could you tell me if I need to enable ppm mode on the mfd and if so how. I am setting my second mfd but first ppm setup. I will be using ezuhf I think I have the receiver setup right for ppm but not sure about the rssi/link. I already have the converter to convert the pwm signal to analog just unsure on how to set the receiver for rssi/link..a little help would be appreciated thankyou
No you don't. On the initial power up the MFD AP scans channel 5 and 6. If no valid ppm signal is present on either channel is reverts to Pwm input.
Thanks
I just updated the firmware on my new MFD AP. I havent used it yet, it's destined for the big Talon.
Although, I hadn't checked what firmware was on it from the shop.
The file I downloaded from myflydream.com had a file extension of .$$$ so the update program wouldn't recognise it.
I simply changed the extension to .hex and then the program read and installed it fine
I say fine, I havent hooked it up to anything to check it out yet lol. For all I know I've just completely f£*ked it up.
No that's what you do, says it in the readme file
haha, phew!
I didn't even notice a txt doc there lol
Ok, so I've not used the MFD AP with my tracker yet.
With the TeleFlyPro I need to press a button to send the home position to the tracker... What do I do with the MFD AP?
Or does it automatically just "talk" to the tracker without any input from me?
Once it hits it's minimum sat lock you have set in the AP menu it sends a set home signal to the tracker. It is indicated in two ways :
The indication from the plane is the ailerons and elevator go hard over for a few seconds.
The tracker then emits a long beep at the same time the planes surfaces move. So you get a visual and audio confirmation. If the plane moves the surfaces but no beep you know the trackers not set home.
This can be easily overlooked though if you for instance turn your plane on to allow it to get sats and leave your tracker off. The plane can set home but the tracker never gets the signal so it's good practice to add the routine if tracker on first to your previous start procedures.
Thanks Ian.
I didn't manage to do any in flight tuning yesterday, but I have a quick question about it...
lets say I'm tuning the pitch and roll gain using 2 pots on my tx, I noticed that the numbers appear on screen. As I'm changing those numbers, does that change get saved in the settings or do I need to take a note of them (or review my DVR) and manually input those values?
Same question for the cruise and alt tuning.
You change the values while flying, then land and go to save model, when you select save the new values are then saved. If you just power it down without saving as with any changes the new values are lost.
Quote from: Coyote on August 08, 2016, 07:04:49 AM
You change the values while flying, then land and go to save model, when you select save the new values are then saved. If you just power it down without saving as with any changes the new values are lost.
I think I am correct in saying that if you save in any other model except 1, say as model 2, you have to load that model at each start up as the mfd loads model 1 as default? Or has that changed?
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Yes I believe it loads 1 as default and you use the others for PID testing
Hi guys,
It's time that I'm setting up my mfd ap and I'm thinking of how I power it all the way I have so far is a 12v reg attached to the output side of the current sensor which will power ap,cam and vtx, I have then attached a second wire to take 12v to a reg and down to 5v which will power the rail for servos etc would the above be ok added a pic so you can understand more
(https://s10.postimg.org/w1wl7qwv9/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/w1wl7qwv9/)
I've set mine up in a very similar way.
I have a +ve and -ve wire coming from the current sensor output side going into a dual output 12V BEC.
1 of the 12V outputs goes directly into the MFD AP to power it and the VTX and cam.
The 2nd 12V output goes to a 5V BEC which is in turn plugged into the servo rail on the AP. This powers the servos and the EzUHF.
I think the way you've done it is fine, however I'd be concerned having a 12v reg physically attached to the current sensor like you have. Not that I know it would do any harm, just that I like to keep my bits n bobs separated.
I copied the reg attached to the cs off a video on YouTube looked pretty good how the guy did it was a neat compact unit which I liked but I'm glad mine looks ok I will shrink it up and carry on
Thanks
does anyone know what radio telemetry kit would work with this?
It uses the MAVLINK protocol I think, which is why the APM flight planner software is recommended on the MFD website... does that mean I could just use a APM telemetry radio set?
Yes the APM radios work. But they have to be in close proximity to the AP I found. Any long distance between them and the data was corrupt.
Ah, OK... well I get the live google earth view from the bluetooth connection to the tracker anyway.
Yes the MFD app shows live tracking
Hi Folks,
I have fitted an MFD into my FX-79 and am yet to maiden it with this AP...
I got the plane last Christmas so I have flown it before but now I've fitted the MFD, I am S**ting myself something will go horribly wrong!
So...
When I get to the field...
1, Power everything up and let the AP warm-up and acquire the satellites??
2, Do my usual ground checks making sure everything works in MAN mode.
3, Check the plane reacts as expected in STB mode...
Take a breath and chuck it up....???
What am I missing?
No.
1 Power everything up
2. Do your pre flight checks
3. Take off and fly manually. Trim the plane properly in manual and then land.
4. Go to joystick calibration and save the now trimmed stick settings.
5. Take off and only now switch to STB mode.
Skipping any of these steps first will normally end in disaster as the first foundation of the autopilot being able to control the plane will have been wrong.
Thank you.
I will report my progress when I have been to the field... :)
Cool. If it doesn't keep its height in level flight that will mean more nose up when performing a common calibration, but I would never do a common at the field, it's best to do it back home. You can use trim in the AP menu but that's masking a problem more than fixing it.
Quote from: Coyote on September 15, 2016, 12:35:10 PM
Cool. If it doesn't keep its height in level flight that will mean more nose up when performing a common calibration, but I would never do a common at the field, it's best to do it back home. You can use trim in the AP menu but that's masking a problem more than fixing it.
Why not at the field?
I have enabled in flight tuning and calibrated the Voltage and current sensor (thanks to your video) :-)
I'm going to go through the set-up 1 more time to be sure I've not forgotten anything before I go to the field over the weekend...
Because the common calibration requires the plane to be perfectly level so in a field with ground that isn't spirit levelled and wind it is near impossible to achieve compared to at home.
Quote from: Coyote on September 15, 2016, 01:39:24 PM
Because the common calibration requires the plane to be perfectly level so in a field with ground that isn't spirit levelled and wind it is near impossible to achieve compared to at home.
Ah! That's what I thought you'd say...
I have a bubble mounted in the plane and a stand.
I wouldn't expect to do a set-up flight in much wind but I get what you are saying...
Thank you.
Hi,
I got my FX-79 back in the air!
I flew off in MAN mode and it needed very little trim...
Did the Common Cal' and set off again... flew up to a good height and switched to STB mode...
Holy hell! it's solid! It was a bit sluggish in turns, next flight I'm going to turn up the Max angle...
I also tried RTH, Nice!
Joystick calibration....
Take of in manual mode.
Trim using tx trim buttons.
Land.
Do joystick calibration in the menu.
Save config in menu.
Then what? Power cycle the mfdap?
Whilst the mfdap is off, do I now return my tx trims to centre?
No just fly, don't touch your trims either.
Ok ta
Make sure you save the settings to model 1. If you save to any other model we think you will need to load that model every time.
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So, How do we trim the plane if it want to rise or fall, turn left or right in STB mode?
This is how mine flies turns gentle left and descends...
Quote from: KillerDave on October 13, 2016, 11:02:12 AM
So, How do we trim the plane if it want to rise or fall, turn left or right in STB mode?
This is how mine flies turns gentle left and descends...
To trim stab mode use the roll and pitch trims in the plane settings menu
No he means when he's flying...
Ful size aviation pilots often use trim instead of the controls to pitch or roll in order to have very smooth flight.
Also, trim is used at different throttle settings to maintain level flight
Quote from: djhandz on October 13, 2016, 11:40:46 AM
To trim stab mode use the roll and pitch trims in the plane settings menu
Ok, thanks...
Then save to model 1 a do a stick cal? or/and common cal???
Quote from: KillerDave on October 13, 2016, 01:06:58 PM
Ok, thanks...
Then save to model 1 a do a stick cal? or/and common cal???
Just save. Stick calibration only needs to be done if you alter your tx trims
Maybe he doesn't then lol
Quote from: djhandz on October 13, 2016, 01:17:42 PM
Just save. Stick calibration only needs to be done if you alter your tx trims
Ok, Thanks....
So in STB, If the plane doesn't want to fly straight, I land, adjust the trims in the OSD, fly and if happy, land and save????
Quote from: KillerDave on October 14, 2016, 11:08:36 AM
Ok, Thanks....
So in STB, If the plane doesn't want to fly straight, I land, adjust the trims in the OSD, fly and if happy, land and save????
Yes..if I remember correctly going up in numbers on roll trims to right and up on pitch trims up
Quote from: djhandz on October 14, 2016, 11:15:41 AM
Yes..if I remember correctly going up in numbers on roll trims to right and up on pitch trims up
Great! Many thanks...
Now I just need a nice calm day!...
It's actually great out there now but I'm stuck at work!
Thanks again....
Hi Guys,
Just a note to say that all the MyFlyDream products (not MTD) are back in stock now !!
Thanks for your patience
http://flyingwings.co.uk/fpv-uav/fpv-systems/autopilots/myflydream.html (http://flyingwings.co.uk/fpv-uav/fpv-systems/autopilots/myflydream.html)
Regards Rob
Quote from: foamster on October 28, 2016, 03:43:09 PM
Hi Guys,
Just a note to say that all the MyFlyDream products (not MTD) are back in stock now !!
Thanks for your patience
http://flyingwings.co.uk/fpv-uav/fpv-systems/autopilots/myflydream.html (http://flyingwings.co.uk/fpv-uav/fpv-systems/autopilots/myflydream.html)
Regards Rob
Hi rob,
By any chance do you have a spare set of shielded cables for the mfd ap, trying everywhere with no luck have even tried mfd themselves, hoping you may have a faulty unit that has all the cables
Cheers bud
Quote from: Rommie on October 28, 2016, 06:08:36 PM
Hi rob,
By any chance do you have a spare set of shielded cables for the mfd ap, trying everywhere with no luck have even tried mfd themselves, hoping you may have a faulty unit that has all the cables
Cheers bud
You can try to make yourself. I use a broken usb cables from mobile charger. I use micro usb cable .
Yeah I have made some before just thought I would take the. Easy route well what I thought might have been easy lol
Hi folks,
I am still having a problem calibrating my current sensor....
I have figured out I can change the reading by CURRENT ADJ.
I have a clamp style Amp meter and it's reading 28.2A @WOT.
My OSD is reading around 15A WOT with the CURRENT ADJ at 100% and around 18A with the CURRENT ADJ at 200% (max) WOT...
What am I missing?
Don't use a clamp meter. Get an online watt meter rigged up to it.
You have probably not calibrated your zero properly so all the rest are wildly inaccurate because of this.
I have a calibration how to in my MFD video section.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKPNrV9Z1TI#)
I forgot to report back...
I have fixed this now... You'll never believe it.....
Somehow, the sensor had been changed in the OSD settings to 50A....
I have changed it back and after a re-cal, it's running fine now....
I did do it on the clamp as I trust it but then checked it on the watt meter and it's close so I'm much happier...
Thanks for helping out....
Good stuff. That's not the first time I've heard of the AP doing that recently.
I need to do mine I think although I need to watch the vid as I forgot lol. putting some new landing lights on my twin dream too some angel eyes and some led daytime running lights got the idea off of rcgroups
link below if anyone wants to have a look
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2251420-MyTwinDream-1-8-m-Twin-Motor-Ultra-Stable-FPV-Platform/page372 (https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2251420-MyTwinDream-1-8-m-Twin-Motor-Ultra-Stable-FPV-Platform/page372)
Hi guys,
I'm new to MFD stuff. I've had mine for three weeks and still haven't got it in the air yet :-(
I'm trying to get my teleflypro working.
Basically I want to put it into my Bixler. It already has a Dragon OSD in it (so I don't need the AP for this aircraft).
I started with the TFP and haven't got it working yet.
I've put a link to a video that I made earlier today to try and explain where I am with it.
Since then I've been brave and put my new AP in the Bixler using the same camera, VTX and GPS. It works and so does the AAT.
So. What's wrong with my TFP??
Any ideas?
https://youtu.be/mc6lHYgEFMg
I've got a TFP in my skywalker, but without meaning to rub salt in your wounds... it's working perfectly fine for me, and all I did was follow the instructions to the letter.
One thing I will say, is that it's quite picky when it comes to GPS models and baud rates. It might well have detected a GPS but it might not be using a supported baud rate. As far as I'm aware, the TFP detects the baud rate automatically.
Make sure when you apply power to the TFP you keep the set home button pressed. Once it says it's detected the GPS, power it off.
If you're getting that GPS detected screen every time, you might have a faulty set home switch... it might be permanently "on".
Try disconnecting the set home switch from the OSD and turn it on again.
I initially had mine installed in a Vector controlled plane, there's no way of tapping into the vector's GPS data so for this reason I simply bought the MFD GPS from flyingwings.co.uk for it and it worked perfectly.
Now I've got it as the sole OSD on a skywalker with no other OSD or AP.
Without being there in person it's really difficult to visualise how you've got it all hooked up. Hope you get it sorted soon
I'm just gearing myself up for my first flight, not only of the year but my first flight since July last year.
With the Mini Talon having it's first flight with the MFD AP installed (and with the hiccup I had with my Big Talon), I really don't want to leave anything to chance.
So I've been studying the manual and made up my own little crib sheet to take with me on Sunday morning.
It goes through the entire process of testing and adjusting both the aircraft and the MFD AP before you should conduct any proper FPV flights with it. Feel free to print a copy off yourself if you're like me and have a MFD AP "maiden" coming up soon.... or if you keep forgetting how to enter launch mode lol
Quote from: BlueFlyer on January 05, 2017, 10:58:40 PM
I'm just gearing myself up for my first flight, not only of the year but my first flight since July last year.
With the Mini Talon having it's first flight with the MFD AP installed (and with the hiccup I had with my Big Talon), I really don't want to leave anything to chance.
So I've been studying the manual and made up my own little crib sheet to take with me on Sunday morning.
It goes through the entire process of testing and adjusting both the aircraft and the MFD AP before you should conduct any proper FPV flights with it. Feel free to print a copy off yourself if you're like me and have a MFD AP "maiden" coming up soon.... or if you keep forgetting how to enter launch mode lol
Very handy information - Karma issued.
Can't find any reference to this or in the manual, but what is the S button for???
Sorry for being a bit thick
Its for when you plug it into the USB programmer to update the firmware. You push in the button as you plug it in, the computer driver then recognises it and you can update the firmware.
Cheers.
I finally got round to flying my Venturi with the MFD for the first time. Video to follow.
All seemed to work ok, got the pids set for pitch and roll but need to add a bit of up trim in the AP as it wanted to fly nose down slightly.
One thing that was odd was that every so often I'd get 'photo' displayed on the screen. What's that all about? I've got no way points set.
could this be from the screen and not the MFD AP?
What screen/monitor/goggles are you using?
where about on the screen does it appear?
is the font the same style as the OSD font?
Just a pair of dominator V1's. I never saw it while testing on the ground a few weeks ago. But I'll re test on the ground see if it does it again.
Are you running a relay station (i.e. 1.3 to 5.8)?
What camera are you using?
does the video signal pass through anything other than just:
cam--->MFD AP--->VTX--->VRX--->GOGGLES
No relay. Hs1177 and the video passes straight through.
The word photo appears in the mfd fonts.
I'll try and get the video up later today
How Are you recording the flight? Sounds like you have the recorder set up to take a still snap every so often. My GitUp2 does that.
It was just a recording of the downlink on my DVR. Video is uploading now
Go into the menu, to to WAYPOINT SETTINGS--->PHOTO SPACING and see what the settings are there.
For some reason it's trying to trigger a camera to take photos.
One thing I've noticed, is that I don't get the black edging around my text, even when it's enabled.
Looking for a solution for Brucey's problem, I came across the fact that there are actually 2 "latest firmwares"
1.18 - gives you only 19 waypoints
1.18wp - gives you up to 200 waypoints (useless if you don't the waypoint feature) but removes the black edging of the text.
I may have inadvertently updated my MFD APs with the "wp" version, thinking it was the latest.
I'll see about updating it again to 1.18 standard, see if that sorts it out.
Cool I'll have a look tonight.
Yeah there are two different firmwares, I definitely don't need 200 waypoints!
I'm guessing 200 waypoints are for mapping?
Finally got a chance to check the photo spacing setting, it was set to 150. I tried to set it to 0 or off, but it would only go as low as 10. So I've set it to 600. I would set it higher but I got bored of flicking the stick
When changing values in the menu, with ch6 in low the value changes by 1. With ch6 in mid, the value changes by 5. With ch6 in high the value changes by 10.
Should help make value changes quicker.
:)
Oh really?! I was considering using an elastic band on the stick!
Thanks for the tip, I've maxed it out to 1000.
Shout Out to Blueflyer and Adam. Care to share your voice setting on the Taranis for flight modes please?
Quote from: BigT on March 03, 2017, 02:37:31 PM
Shout Out to Blueflyer and Adam. Care to share your voice setting on the Taranis for flight modes please?
As in... how we did it?
Yes please. Pictures of the screens would be very useful. Just getting my head round the Taranis after 45 years of Futabaspeak.
First you need to create some logical switches. All that means is that because your flight mode depends on the combined position of 2 physical switches (i.e. ch5 up and ch6 middle) you need to create a "virtual" switch in the software which is equal to ch5up+ch6mid... if you know what I mean.
On the logical switches page of the model menu, you need to create 9 logical switches to account for all the possible switch position combinations of the 2 x 3 position switches (with me so far?)
Then, on the special functions page, you can assign an action for the Taranis to perform when one of those "switches" is triggered.
In order to use the nice voices Adam and I have, instead of the scary stock voices, you need to download a voice pack... I'll find where I got it from and link it tomorrow... along with some pics or a video if I'm feeling up to it :)
That's excellent, thank you. I have the Amber voice pack installed already and opent tx companion 2.1. I have managed to set up the switches to give the modes I want but it's the logic switches I struggle with.
I'm sure there are some videos out there, but I've just shot a quick one in the dining room... hopefully it explains it enough for you.
just editing it now
Here you go BigT
http://www.fpvhub.com/index.php/topic,51579.msg266345.html#msg266345 (http://www.fpvhub.com/index.php/topic,51579.msg266345.html#msg266345)
Oh boy, that hit the spot, you should post that on some of the other Taranis sites. Thanks very much.
No problem. Glad I could help.
Now I just need connect the x6 Sbus Rx to the Rlink companion and figure out how to get all 16 channels working. I am beginnng to get the impression it's easier to create a model in the open tx companion rather than on the tx itself.