A while ago we went for a longer FPV trip in Europe.
First planned stage: Millau Viaduct, France
The Millau Viaduct is the highest Bridge in the world! Absolutely impressive and beautiful construction... Check out those breathtaking shots!
But that trip also had some nasty surprises for us ;)
https://youtu.be/_Qk90yX-k0Y
Sorry, thumbs down for this one. Some pretty stupid and irresponsible flying from you all there.
I'm not naive enough to think that this kind of thing doesn't happen anymore, but to post it up on YouTube and then post it here for the "approval" of fellow FPVers?
I won't apologise for my opinions on this, not big and not clever.
At first I thought, "ooh, it would be nice to fly around there with the viaduct in the background..." but the moment you flew above the level of the roadway you are putting people in danger.
It's not about the damage a foam wing would do to a moving vehicle... it's about what it would/could make the driver of a 1 tonne plus vehicle do when he/she sees it flying so close, or even hit the vehicle. Think of the accident you could cause.
I'm with Coyote... thumbs down
Just to add... it's videos like this... available to the public... that can be used against our hobby.
In no particular order :
irresponsible
endangering
distracting
stupid
deserved to get busted
think before you fly guys
I haven't seen Trappy style flying for quite a while now... So what did the Gendarmerie do? Share a cell with Bubba?
Flying *far* above it, and very close below it, was quite cool. But flying super close just above it- :o I know you know what you're doing- but I'm surprised you got the planes and footage back.
Also- may I ask why you still use Zephyrs when your wipeouts supposedly offer just as stable flying experiences as bigger zephyr style wings? ;) I couldn't help but notice the footage was a bit wobbly at times- was that with the Zephs or Wipeouts ;) although it must be windy when your so high up and feet away from a bridge :S
For your info FPV is banned in France, get caught and they throw the book at you. Here is a good reference site
https://www.pylo.co/news/265/list-laws-and-regulations-about-fpv-and-rc-aircraft-various-countries
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It's probably not worth trying to communicate with them. They come here every now and then to tout their FPV videos and planes and rarely return to read comments or contribute in any way to the community.
Hi there
Im sorry to hear that. Spacially that you think we do not read comments here or correspond to the community.
Guys its absolutely clear some of you think that was risky or too dangerous flying like that and "there". But please be sure we made anything possible to keep this as safe as possible.
If you noticed we flyed at the same altitude and with the same direction as traffic so if there is a failsafe, wing goes down.
As well we waited for several hours so the traffic on the Bridge was the lowest level of the day.
Also the spotter with the 200x zoom camera made sure no car was comming when we downrided the Bridge.
Please know, that this was a big dream of us since a while we made come true and the trip was well planed.
Of course the arrest was not planned... But the cops let us go without penalty also because they thinked it wasn't that critical.
Hope you more can understand and enjoy it now.
Regards
Flying close to and through Bridge wires is well planned? :laugh: .. Minimal skill required here but Unfortunately shows a Total disregard for anyone driving on the bridge. You can easy find places to do this sort of stuff where you arent going to piss people off.. so why didnt you do that? This stupidity is what gives FPV a bad name. I would suggest take your video down off Youtube ASAP
regards
Andy
Some lovely shots and I am sure it was great fun to fly but.....
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 12:19:09 PM
If you noticed we flyed at the same altitude and with the same direction as traffic so if there is a failsafe, wing goes down.
Your video shows that this is not correct.
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 12:19:09 PM
Also the spotter with the 200x zoom camera made sure no car was comming when we downrided the Bridge.
Your video shows that this is not correct.
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 12:19:09 PM
Please know, that this was a big dream of us since a while we made come true and the trip was well planed.
I'm sure we all dream of flying in certain locations but that does not justify doing it. I would love to fly in the centre of Edinburgh, over the gardens, around the castle and down the Royal Mile, but it would be irresponsible and endanger people to do this.
I FOUND TIHS A BRIDGE TO FAR ..........................................LMFAO
Quote from: skyscraper on June 01, 2015, 01:09:10 PM
Flying close to and through Bridge wires is well planned? :laugh: .. Minimal skill required here but Unfortunately shows a Total disregard for anyone driving on the bridge. You can easy find places to do this sort of stuff where you arent going to piss people off.. so why didnt you do that? This stupidity is what gives FPV a bad name. I would suggest take your video down off Youtube ASAP
regards
Andy
As told :) No, we are not planing to remove it.
We think this is an important Topic that needs to be discused. So many People are overreacting in our oppinion because of something that isn't more or less dangerous than many other things we do daily.
@electrotor:The last shot against traffic direction was UNDER the Level of the rail of the Bridge. Failsafe was programmed so wing immediately goes down there.
I think flying at this Bridge in a wide, non-poulated landscape with absolutely minimal traffic is quite not the same as flying as you described ;)
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 01:45:24 PM
Quote from: skyscraper on June 01, 2015, 01:09:10 PM
Flying close to and through Bridge wires is well planned? :laugh: .. Minimal skill required here but Unfortunately shows a Total disregard for anyone driving on the bridge. You can easy find places to do this sort of stuff where you arent going to piss people off.. so why didnt you do that? This stupidity is what gives FPV a bad name. I would suggest take your video down off Youtube ASAP
regards
Andy
As told :) No, we are not planing to remove it.
Why is that ? A bit short of cash are you ?
What has that to do with cash? We are not promoting any of our products neither we monetize our Youtube Videos.
It seems controversial at all, but it is as is.
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 01:45:24 PM
The last shot against traffic direction was UNDER the Level of the rail of the Bridge. Failsafe was programmed so wing immediately goes down there.
If, as you say, this shot was UNDER the level of the rail, why can we see over the top rail to the roof of the car and the central cable attachment points? Also other shots diving down the bridge were against the flow of traffic. Your own video is ample evidence that what you say is incorrect.
Ehm no? What happens there if wing goes down immediately? Of course it was not possible to fly every second exactly on the same altitude as we wanted. But always like that so the wing would go down out of the range of danger if something happens.
As I sayd: We did anything possible to reduce the risks. That was not like: Oh yes look at this cool Bridge lets do some inconsiderately flying there....
The only Point that we have to say that it was always possible for a Driver to get scared by the plane. I have seen car Drivers get scared by one of those planes even if they are 200m away.
But for that reason we waited so long that traffic is near Zero.
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 03:41:51 PM
Ehm no? What happens there if wing goes down immediately? Of course it was not possible to fly every second exactly on the same altitude as we wanted. But always like that so the wing would go down out of the range of danger if something happens.
OK
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 03:41:51 PM
But for that reason we waited so long that traffic is near Zero.
OK
think this will drag on and on .....
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 03:41:51 PM
That was not like: Oh yes look at this cool Bridge lets do some inconsiderately flying there....
[...]
The only Point that we have to say that it was always possible for a Driver to get scared by the plane. I have seen car Drivers get scared by one of those planes even if they are 200m away.
[...]
So knowing this you still go ahead :laugh:
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 02:12:39 PM
[...] We are not promoting any of our products [...].
Er... what are the links at bottom of all your posts then FFS?
Quote from: electrotor on June 01, 2015, 04:04:06 PM
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 03:41:51 PM
Ehm no? What happens there if wing goes down immediately? Of course it was not possible to fly every second exactly on the same altitude as we wanted. But always like that so the wing would go down out of the range of danger if something happens.
OK
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 03:41:51 PM
But for that reason we waited so long that traffic is near Zero.
OK
electrotor, its not in our mind to convince you with something.
Of course you can make your own oppinion about that.
It was an intention of mine to tell you what we did there. There are so many Facts / situations there so it doesn't make sense we discuss about every second in this Video.
Hope you're not offended!
Regards
Quote from: mark1975 on June 01, 2015, 04:32:00 PM
think this will drag on and on .....
No such thing as bad publicity ...
Beam me up Scotty ! :laugh:
regards
Andy
Quote from: skyscraper on June 01, 2015, 04:46:29 PM
Quote from: mark1975 on June 01, 2015, 04:32:00 PM
think this will drag on and on .....
No such thing as bad publicity ...
Beam me up Scotty ! :laugh:
regards
Andy
Beam me up too. The damning evidence is there for all to see.
Quote from: skyscraper
So knowing this you still go ahead :laugh:
This means it is near impossible to fly ANYWHERE near a street without the risk a Driver become scared.
One day we crossed a street 150m above it and a Driver just looked at the planes at the sky and has driven right in the gras with his car only because he keept starring at those planes. One of the guys beside us noticed that.
Quote from: skyscraper
Er... what are the links at bottom of all your posts then FFS?
Excuse me... this is FFS not the Video or Video description. We do also answer questions here about our Wipeout wing like Ratty builds one atm. This has nothing to do with the Video.
I can't delete the FFS in one thread and add them in the other or can I?
And if you critical Folks need an example for whats REAL dangerous take a look at this. Shots liket these are made on near any big Event today:
http://youtu.be/967xo4FzySo (http://youtu.be/967xo4FzySo)
Matthias,
I subscribe to your YouTube feed as you do have some pretty awesome clips on there. From my point of view, you need to be a little responsible and understand the influence you have on kids who want to get into the hobby. What you don't want is someone less capable imitating you and flooding the Internet with clips that will ultimately lead to someone getting hurt or at the very least shine a negative light on what we all do. The spotlight is on FPV, so keep it creative and impressive but know not to overstep the mark.
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It's still illegal to FPV in France. So how about e mailing a link to these chaps and see if they think it's OK? Go on I dare you.
http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/1DGAC-The_French_Civil_Aviation-Version_Anglaise-2013.pdf
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Quote from: BigT on June 01, 2015, 07:43:58 PM
It's still illegal to FPV in France. So how about e mailing a link to these chaps and see if they think it's OK? Go on I dare you.
http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/1DGAC-The_French_Civil_Aviation-Version_Anglaise-2013.pdf (http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/1DGAC-The_French_Civil_Aviation-Version_Anglaise-2013.pdf)
They'll probably be on strike though.
Lol @ ipeel
So true though. On the way down to Mljet Mali Losinj a couple months ago, we had to route around France as the French ATC were on strike, so we couldn't fly IFR through France...
Quote from: elmattbo on June 01, 2015, 07:06:15 PM
Matthias,
I subscribe to your YouTube feed as you do have some pretty awesome clips on there. From my point of view, you need to be a little responsible and understand the influence you have on kids who want to get into the hobby. What you don't want is someone less capable imitating you and flooding the Internet with clips that will ultimately lead to someone getting hurt or at the very least shine a negative light on what we all do. The spotlight is on FPV, so keep it creative and impressive but know not to overstep the mark.
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First, thanks for your subsription! I totally understant your Point of view. But let me Show you an example of responsibility:
Is a wingsuiter responsible if some one is dumb enough buying a Suite and jumps from a mountain without any skills and Training?
Is Tareq Al Said responsible if some one without any skills buys a 3D heli and flys it directly into his Group friends watching it?
We do not think this is that critical as some one of you think. We think its time to reduce all These oversensibilitys in some cases which are totally unnecessary.
But thank you for your constructive words!
Matthias
It's clear that you gave at least some thought to reducing risks (spotter, failsafe, few cars on the road etc)- but the point is that had you lost control over the bridge theres a chance you would have ploughed your plane into the windscreen of an oncoming car and caused a pretty nasty accident.
I suppose this is the case whenever someone flies over a road pulling stunts- although with a few obstacles high up and very close to you the chance of crashing is higher. However, whether it's rational or not, flying so close and in an extreme way so close to a huge national public structure attracts a disproportionate amount of negative attention and harms the hobby.
At a time when fpv is under the spotlight and we hobbyists are trying to convince lawmakers that we are a responsible bunch your video brings our hobby into disrepute and weakens our argument.
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 09:01:28 PM
First, thanks for your subsription! I totally understant your Point of view. But let me Show you an example of responsibility:
Is a wingsuiter responsible if some one is dumb enough buying a Suite and jumps from a mountain without any skills and Training?
Is Tareq Al Said responsible if some one without any skills buys a 3D heli and flys it directly into his Group friends watching it?
We do not think this is that critical as some one of you think. We think its time to reduce all These oversensibilitys in some cases which are totally unnecessary.
But thank you for your constructive words!
Matthias makes some good points but I have to say that I think you are missing the main point. If someone is dumb enough to buy a wingsuit and jump from a mountain he will injure or kill himself. If someone buys a 3D heli and flies it into a group of his friends watching they should have some common sense to stand well clear.
What you are doing is taking your models right up to and over completely unsuspecting people who are going about their daily business. You are putting them at risk whilst you are at no risk yourself. If there is an incident you are nowhere near and can walk away completely unharmed. The point we have been trying to make is not intended to spoil your fun, it is intended to stop your fun spoiling someone else's day. Can you not see that?
I am still amazed by the type of video and stills still being posted after all the case's that the CAA of taken to court so far, I have no doubt flying over and around Bridges used by the general public will draw the Caa's attention in double quick time.
I am not pointing the finger but I suspect their list of people to watch out for is getting longer by the day :+
Just one accident is all it takes then the sh-- will hit the fan :( then everybody with an iffy video or picture posted will be in the firing line for sure :(
just be sensible guys what you post and maybe we will be left alone to enjoy our Hobby :)
dizzy :)
I've enjoy these Happy Flyers vids, I find them very entertaining but this was too close to the road for my taste. Keep the vids coming guys but a little more thought on contents please ;)
I would consider keeping the dodgy videos private and share them only with a select audience... it's clear you won't stop flying in this manner, the least you can do is not draw attention to yourself whilst doing so.
I thought the video was good :laugh:
Quote from: electrotor on June 01, 2015, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: MatthiasC on June 01, 2015, 09:01:28 PM
First, thanks for your subsription! I totally understant your Point of view. But let me Show you an example of responsibility:
Is a wingsuiter responsible if some one is dumb enough buying a Suite and jumps from a mountain without any skills and Training?
Is Tareq Al Said responsible if some one without any skills buys a 3D heli and flys it directly into his Group friends watching it?
We do not think this is that critical as some one of you think. We think its time to reduce all These oversensibilitys in some cases which are totally unnecessary.
But thank you for your constructive words!
Matthias makes some good points but I have to say that I think you are missing the main point. If someone is dumb enough to buy a wingsuit and jump from a mountain he will injure or kill himself. If someone buys a 3D heli and flies it into a group of his friends watching they should have some common sense to stand well clear.
What you are doing is taking your models right up to and over completely unsuspecting people who are going about their daily business. You are putting them at risk whilst you are at no risk yourself. If there is an incident you are nowhere near and can walk away completely unharmed. The point we have been trying to make is not intended to spoil your fun, it is intended to stop your fun spoiling someone else's day. Can you not see that?
I can / do see that of course.
But the Point is that so many ppl. put others at so much more risk in daily cases (street workers, fabrication employees making a mistake in building some life-critical parts)....
This is no excuse. Im only trying to show that there are MUCH more other things out there you should care more than about two guys flying over a Bridge with two 1kg foamies with real less vehicles on it. The amount of "scareness" and "criticism" stands in no Dimension to other things which are much more dangerous.
Excuse me but im still not thinking that non-FPVers will see this that negative so the Hobby will be harmed in any case.
You can do or say whatever you want... Be carefull as much as you want and make everything right to Keep the Hobby as well unobtrusive and safe...
Sometime a donk will come and ruin everything by flying a DJI Thing into an Airbus Engine and we are all f*** up. This day will come.
At least we are trying to Keep things safe as possible and professional as possible. Of course not everyone will agree with that. But things like this doesn't matter in harming our Hobby in any case.
But you can rest assured. The upcoming Videos are not like that :)
Kind regards
It's not the opinion of non-fpvers in general that we care about, its the people out there who are actively attempting to get it banned completely.
This video is exactly the kind of evidence they would use to put their case towards those who have the power to make our hobby illegal.
It would be the same as if you shot video of you and your friends driving fast cars on the motorway over the speed limit late at night with hardly anyone on the road... You may say "we waited till it was late so minimal traffic was around" but the act is still dangerous, irresponsible and illegal and it is silly to not only film yourself doing it, but even more so to post it on a public website.
What give happy flyers or company, person the right to endanger other people not involved in the flight.
We have the privilege of using sky not the right.
Can I fly my 1kg wing into your face? don't worry I will do with a spotter and in safe, professional manner.
Videos like this just show me that the products are crap and companys need to make controversial video to sale the crap.
Like this twerp
http://youtu.be/W-QJLOVLg7M (http://youtu.be/W-QJLOVLg7M)
Like this twerp
https://youtu.be/W-QJLOVLg7M
Quote from: BlueFlyer
It's not the opinion of non-fpvers in general that we care about, its the people out there who are actively attempting to get it banned completely.
That will happen anyway some day. Like in Spain where you need a full pilote licence for flying an FPV aircraft....
Quote from: BlueFlyer
This video is exactly the kind of evidence they would use to put their case towards those who have the power to make our hobby illegal.
Defenetly not. There are Videos like that who will do this:
https://youtu.be/967xo4FzySo
Quote from: BlueFlyer
It would be the same as if you shot video of you and your friends driving fast cars on the motorway over the speed limit late at night with hardly anyone on the road... You may say "we waited till it was late so minimal traffic was around" but the act is still dangerous, irresponsible and illegal and it is silly to not only film yourself doing it, but even more so to post it on a public website.
Quite not the same but understanding your Point.
So finaly... like it or not. Its up to you :) We do not want things to get escalated. We have our Point of view here and some of you may have another. But thats ok!
Kind regards