Poll
Question:
Ritewing Drak Multibuy?
Option 1: I'm interested in the Drak, but will likely buy my own later on.
votes: 4
Option 2: I would happily pay into a multibuy to share shipping costs.
votes: 11
Option 3: Not really interested in buying the Drak, but it looks cool though.
votes: 3
Option 4: Even at a discounted shipping rate, Ritewing wings are usually too expensive for me so for that reason... I'm out.
votes: 7
Just a quick poll really to see if anyone is interested in a multibuy from Chris from Ritewing for the new Drak. If I recall from the Z3, he can get a few airframes in one box so there would be a fairly substantial shipping saving.
Please don't take this as me volunteering to do all the logistics though, I'm just trying to see if there's much demand for the Drak... if not I'll end up buying one for myself if the price is right.
Just a bit of light humor, please don't axe me :P
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Has a rough guide price been announced ? (shipping aside) Similar price to the Z3 ?
Depending on price then I'd be in. The thing looks cool and would be a good step up from my Tek Sumo as an FPV platform
Quote from: MarkLloyd on October 25, 2015, 09:51:31 PM
Has a rough guide price been announced ? (shipping aside) Similar price to the Z3 ?
I've emailed Chris, so it's just a case of waiting for his reply.
Others may have already initiated contact regarding shipping multiple Draks to the UK so perhaps they could shed some light on the pricing situation.
On his kickstarter page, the cost of a Drak kit with no laminate or other components is $200 which works out at around £130 according to Google
When I asked Chris for costs on 21 September he sent this information
'265.00 Drak basic kit
35.00 lam film
25.00 Mobius flight cam tough box, same as Z3 version
20.00 CF rods and horn set
70 .00 mg midi digi servos
140.00 SS motor 85 amp esc combo
FYI it is international I can fit two kits in the same box for a slight extra shipping cost .
This is a great deal, I can ship two in one box to you cheaper than two here in the USA.
Shipping is 55.00 for one 65.00 for two in one box.'
Quote from: pk-surfing on October 25, 2015, 10:40:50 PM
When I asked Chris for costs on 21 September he sent this information
'265.00 Drak basic kit
35.00 lam film
25.00 Mobius flight cam tough box, same as Z3 version
20.00 CF rods and horn set
70 .00 mg midi digi servos
140.00 SS motor 85 amp esc combo
FYI it is international I can fit two kits in the same box for a slight extra shipping cost .
This is a great deal, I can ship two in one box to you cheaper than two here in the USA.
Shipping is 55.00 for one 65.00 for two in one box.'
Thanks PK, I assume that's US $
US $ that's right
$265 for some foam and carbon rods??
I loved my Zephyr 2 and the quality of the Z3 (which I've still got to get airborne... that's another story (?)) , but that's a lot of money for a kit. I know there are lots of overheads before a penny is turned but around £25 for laminate :o , £185 ish for just the basic kit and that's before putting any gear in it, it just gets so expensive.
That's why I looked for an alternative when replacing the Z2. The flyingwings Venturi evo was half the price and extras like laminate were under a fiver. It still looks good and from the reviews flies as well as the Z2. I just don't think I could justify that kind of money any more.
I know the Drak is something new, has no direct competitor, and I know it'll be great quality, but that still seems expensive for what it is.
I've got both the Z2 & Z3 and they are the both very good, yes they are expensive but they both have good flying characteristics and they last. The Drak will be my Christmas pressie off the wife and its easy to sell the idea because of the quality. Not sure I would pay for myself though hehehe
hmmmmm that's got me thinking.... :D
It's an easy sell for me. The Z3 is an awesome airframe and the Drak just improves on all of the weak points.
Longer run times and better crash resistance and repairability with the EPP foam.
I'm not sure whether it would make a better travel plane though. For me the Z3 is perfect size, fits into a suitcase easily and also fits into the back of my rented SUV without removing a wing. Drak is gonna need a much bigger box I think
Well having had a grumble about the cost last night, I just watched the vid Xup has posted of a close up look at the Drak and I must say it looks to be worth the money..... a real quality piece of kit and a development progression from the Z2 & Z3.
It's a big plane and I hadn't realised it could be broken down like the Z3 too.
I won't need one until I've destroyed the Venturi and/or the Z3, but I am tempted !
If the price is right I'll come on down (and join the gang)
Ain't those molded in Germany?
If so, why can't they just ship from there?!
I'm keen, price dependant...
Quote from: rank on October 26, 2015, 09:31:55 PM
Ain't those molded in Germany?
If so, why can't they just ship from there?!
Exactly this...
surely it would be cheaper too... we place the order with Chris... he sends the order to the German factory, who send them directly to us... no customs, no fuss.
I like that idea, if we can get them direct shipped from Germany for a cheap price then I'm in too.
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Hi guys,only the epp molded pieces are made in Germany. Its not kitted there. Let me see how many I can get in a box tomorrow. I did have camera pockets molded but pulled them off at the last minute. There are too many ways to modify this foam with ease. I saw the foxeer cam come out a few days before the final go ahead to the molder. Even the mapping cameras are all changing so fast I didn't make any holes in the bottom of the plane. It takes no effort at all to make it quick jig to slice out a hole in it. You can do this with about any type of camera you want wherever you wanna put it on this airframe. This is so much more of an awesome plane than you think, wait till you see it up close. I've taken it to a few FPV events, and UAV shows, the people have seen it are so dumbfounded at the price being as cheap as it is for what you get. For example you have the z3 kit for 200 ,this is way way more aircraft than the z3. It's handling is so good it's mind blowing. It's so durable you could drop kick it to launch it. I will have some videos coming in the next week or so, I finally got the vector dialed in yesteday so I will be mounting camera gear into this aircraft pretty quick. I already have it pre wired for a camera it's just a matter of getting it mounted. The price will be going up soon.(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/27/23a2dc9cd3f71a0812bf26ea6cc24edd.jpg)
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Really looking forward to seeing more vids Chris, it's a stunning bit of kit, very tempting !
It was Oscar Wilde that said "The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it...
I can resist everything but temptation" :D
I'm in if the price is good.
I want Chris's crocks, he can keep the socks
ControlThis is in talks with Chris from ritewing about being a UK stockist of the Dart. As soon as we have more information we will let you know how things develop.
What I was always curious about, is why someone from outside of EU buying the gear in EU don't pay the tax part, but I'm yet to buy something from US and get the tax deducted from the full price.
Do they have different tax system or something?!
Quote from: rank on November 02, 2015, 12:38:06 AM
Do they have different tax system or something?!
Yes
A few pix of Der Draken
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Quote from: rank on October 26, 2015, 09:31:55 PM
Ain't those molded in Germany?
If so, why can't they just ship from there?!
Because the company moulding them would have to register as a distributor and pay extra taxes which pushes the price up. Now as I have a distribution company I could push them out from Berlin without a problem but I don't know if the designer would be willing to play ball. It all depends on his terms and conditions.
Rgs
Anthony.
I'm willing to organize a group buy again like I did on the Z3. Or if anyone else fancies it, I'll be willing to pitch in and buy one or two frames.
It all depends how many can go in a box. It may not save that much money with the added size of the Drak.
I can only do two per box.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THV0p1Yd-z4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THV0p1Yd-z4)
Quote from: Ritewing on November 10, 2015, 03:38:02 AM
I can only do two per box.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THV0p1Yd-z4#)
I love when you came real close to the camera and seemed to hang there, I assume you powered down and was forcing a stall?
Yes I had a slight headwind and was throttling down and pulling elevator to show it stall, it has just about full control in stall, if it does stall just throttle up and climb out, or let it stall and it will usually i just drop the nose a bit. If it tips let it drop the nose down and it will pull rite out with a little airspeed. You can see just as I stalled it I throttled up and climbed out like a rocket ship. A little throttle blip stops the stall.
At the beginning of the flight we were just showing the stall and its flight manners, after about ten mins of flying my buddy went and threw up the inspire to film it, he said he couldn't resist after watching me stop it in mid flight multiple times. They could not believe how much vert it had and how smooth it was , the vid was an unplanned event.
This is a new vid for the people who are doubting the rigidity and strength of this foam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0X1pxFrx4A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0X1pxFrx4A)
What autopilot are folks thinking of using? Vector, Pixhawk, Ruby, ??...
I'll try a vector in mine to begin with, mainly because I have it already. I'm half tempted to try out an openpilot revo too though. I'm odd like that. ...
Probably apm for me as I already have one and hopefully I'll have it totally dialled in by the time I get a drak
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Pixhawk for me
I'll use a Cyclops Tornado, got one in the Z3 and it ticks all the boxes so no need to change.
Think I'll try an eagletree vector in mine, as I have one looking for a home. That said, the maiden flights will be no flight controller at all. Just retro line of sight flying I reckon...
Do we have a potential price?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91ISfcuzDw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91ISfcuzDw)
After watching the build vid Chris say's about using 3 tubes of Goop, that's £27 on glue!
Is Goop the same as UHU POR?
Does this work?
You can get the big caulking tubes, they are 10 oz and not that expensive
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmarine+goop.TRS0&_nkw=marine+goop&_sacat=0 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmarine+goop.TRS0&_nkw=marine+goop&_sacat=0)
Goop it is then, thanks for the fast reply Chris, can't wait for the build to start, project box is filling up quick :thumbsup:
Just found this, 10oz tube for £8.40 and it says free UK postage
http://www.palmermetals.co.uk/shop/marine-goop-10-2-fl-oz-cartridge.html (http://www.palmermetals.co.uk/shop/marine-goop-10-2-fl-oz-cartridge.html)
Pulled the trigger on mine in mid Nov and wondered if any one had got shipping notice yet from the UK as Chris has been posting these for a few days now!
Not yet. I ordered early Nov too...
Ordered mine 21 September, not had a shipping notice yet but will let you know when I do.
PK :)
Ok, just home and I've an email from Ritewing saying my Drak has been despatched (this was ordered 21 September) so Chris is getting through the orders at a fast rate.
PK :)
Nice one. Hopefully not long till mine then, I ordered om Nov 10th...
Had my shipping noticificification today. Happy days...
Andy
Ordered mine on the 24th Nov, not had shipping notice yet.
Think the guys at Ritewing have a mammoth task underway getting the orders out...
Hey guys I should have the rest of everything else out next week. I burned up a laser focus lense, it put me a tad behind. Got it fixed, been cutting all weekend and the last 3 months, I somehow got debris on it and it smoked a hole rite through it.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160111/c982ef356ba9ce53532c5378ac64decd.jpg)
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I know you've been burning the candle at both ends Chris, weather here is very poor so no flying or very little. Look forward to seeing it as and when it turns up, no problems dude.
Ugh. Awaiting customs clearance.....
And mine ^^^^^
4th to 8th get from Arizona to Heathrow
It's been sat 'awaiting customs clearance' from 8th to today and still there !
PK :)
Race ya! Ha ha.. I'm hoping it doesn't take too long to get through. I'm not bothered whether it gets hit with the VAT charge, but if it could arrive in time for the weekend, it would be nice!
Just had shipping notice, yyyiipppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lol
Mine's now showing as being at Parcel Force National Hub at 10:03 today and 'Sorted' for Express 48 delivery
PK :)
Mine got to the hub just now. With a customs charge having been applied....
I have one rather large box with a pair of Drak inside! Customs charge wasn't as much as I was expecting, which was nice. I'll hopefully get chance to clear the work bench tomorrow, and make a start!
Mines in the ParcelForce depot about 15 miles away apparently, expecting a card in the post tomorrow as tracking shows somoe Custom charges to pay before delivery.
PK :)
Looking forward to some build threads/vids
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Quote from: pk-surfing on January 15, 2016, 10:48:24 PM
Mines in the ParcelForce depot about 15 miles away apparently, expecting a card in the post tomorrow as tracking shows somoe Custom charges to pay before delivery.
PK :)
I noticed mine had been held at the depot on the online tracking. So I went in when I was passing, and was able to pay the charges without the letter, just going off the tracking number. Try ringing the depot, and asking about it, they may let you pay over the phone.
I'm not sure I'll do a build thread as such, maybe just a few choice photos. I'll be following the ritewing build videos pretty closely anyway.. I'm going to make a start tomorrow, by clearing my workbench!
Andy
really jealous guys... can't wait to see this one.
Just had a look and mine has cleared LA and is on it's way, what kinda customs bill are we looking at if it gets stopped?
Here's a useful website... but it only calculates customs/duty... it won't include any "charges" by the parcel farce ripoff merchants
http://www.dutycalculator.com/new-import-duty-and-tax-calculation/saved_calculations/view_details/198956611/ (http://www.dutycalculator.com/new-import-duty-and-tax-calculation/saved_calculations/view_details/198956611/)
based on a $300 purchase (kit plus lam) and $55 shipping, you're looking at nearly £50 customs/duty
shocking...... £50 to import foam!
HM Customs want shooting.....
It's a shame some products can't be manufactured over here under license but thats another topic..
Me too- dead jealous!
I'm surprised chris went for a 5S setup. It's screaming out for 6s IMO.
Quote from: Gundummy on January 16, 2016, 09:22:40 AM
shocking...... £50 to import foam!
HM Customs want shooting.....
£50 to import £250 of product- pretty reasonable if you ask me.
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on January 16, 2016, 09:28:59 AM
£50 to import £250 of product- pretty reasonable if you ask me.
You need to recover R&D, testing, and tooling costs so £250 ain't bad considering :)
I wasn't questioning the product cost.... just the import fees. To say your happy with paying £50 .... well you might as well say your happy burning £50!!
Lucky sods. I've been wanting a Drak since the day they were announced but I'm poor.
The Mrs is rich though, she has all my money every month >:(
Is a $300 kit just the foam parts and motor mount or does that include the motor/esc combo, push rods, clevis and nose cone to cover the cameras too?
I really don't need one of these, but watching Chris' build video makes me want to build one too, looks like excellent project.
Quote from: Gundummy on January 16, 2016, 10:16:13 AM
I wasn't questioning the product cost.... just the import fees. To say your happy with paying £50 .... well you might as well say your happy burning £50!!
It's 20% of the value. So bang on VAT. You pay it on all other items you buy in the UK so why not something you import? If I was the government I would add more than that to cover the parcels that slipped through the net.
Quote from: plingboot on January 16, 2016, 11:24:41 PM
Is a $300 kit just the foam parts and motor mount or does that include the motor/esc combo, push rods, clevis and nose cone to cover the cameras too?
I really don't need one of these, but watching Chris' build video makes me want to build one too, looks like excellent project.
nope, just the bits of foam and some laminating film (I think you get a motor mount too)... clevises/horns/nosecones/pushrods/motor/esc are all extra and will land you in the region of $600 shipped
so all in, one of these bad boys will cost you in the region of £510 including shipping and customs.... not forgetting the parcel force charge of £18, and all this is before you add any FPV gear
no thanks lol
Quote from: plingboot on January 16, 2016, 11:24:41 PM
I really don't need one of these, but watching Chris' build video makes me want to build one too, looks like excellent project.
Where are the build vids? I am subscribed to theritewingRc but I can't see any...
Cheers
Steve
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Quote from: BlueFlyer on January 16, 2016, 11:35:40 PM
one of these bad boys will cost you in the region of £510 including shipping and customs.... not forgetting the parcel force charge of £18, and all this is before you add any FPV gear
no thanks lol
Actually, for a piece of foam and now you've totted up the cost, I'm with you........ no thanks lol
I bet a competent modeller could copy one easy. I have a hot wire foam cutter, I have made large foam wings and fuzzes many times
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Quote from: stevec on January 16, 2016, 11:37:35 PM
Where are the build vids? I am subscribed to theritewingRc but I can't see any...
Cheers
Steve
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Steve,
Should find all the build info in here....
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?45648-Molded-Ritewing-Drak-Build-amp-Info-place (http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?45648-Molded-Ritewing-Drak-Build-amp-Info-place)
PK :)
Excellent thanks.
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What is the UK equivalent of 'Goop'?? Uhu Por ????
Hi,
This is the UK equivalent that I think most UK and EU people with Drak planes are buying from
http://www.palmermetals.co.uk/shop/adhesives-and-glues/marine-goop-10-2-fl-oz-cartridge.html (http://www.palmermetals.co.uk/shop/adhesives-and-glues/marine-goop-10-2-fl-oz-cartridge.html)
PK :)
Quote from: pk-surfing on January 17, 2016, 01:43:35 PM
Hi,
This is the UK equivalent that I think most UK and EU people with Drak planes are buying from
http://www.palmermetals.co.uk/shop/adhesives-and-glues/marine-goop-10-2-fl-oz-cartridge.html (http://www.palmermetals.co.uk/shop/adhesives-and-glues/marine-goop-10-2-fl-oz-cartridge.html)
PK :)
Many thanks
You can get the same stuff Chris uses on eBay, its called "amazing goop".
I used it on my Zeph and anytime I attach winglets now.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xamazing+goop.TRS0&_nkw=amazing+goop&_sacat=0 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xamazing+goop.TRS0&_nkw=amazing+goop&_sacat=0)
I think E6000 is also very similar, if not the same as goop.
Finally got my 'Pay Customs' card from Parcel Force
For two Drak kits
Import VAT £15.29
Clearance Fee £8
Total £23.29
PK :)
Result there Paul, where did you get yours from mate ?
Hi Simon,
Ordered it last year direct from Chris at Ritewing so been waiting a while for it, should be actually delivered tomorrow, then get it built ready for the three days of Summer ;D
That's not bad fees at all considering.
That's pretty good, not as high of a hit as I thought it was going to be.