Hi Fellow NAZA lovers ;D
I've had LOADS of requests on how to set up the DJI NAZA to RTH & Auto Land using failsafe, so here it is. This is my 1st tutorial video ever so please dont be a hater!! And if it helped you out then give it a thumbs up and subscribe!!, more videos to follow soon explaining gain settings and general NAZA setup.
Jim.
HOW TO SET FAIL SAFE FOR DJI NAZA+GPS RTH AUTO LAND (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTZoEVXnkLE#ws)
Nice Video
and at least I know that part is fine on my Naza
Now go do the Dance of the Naza :)
make sure you get some good dance music going :)
Lol cheers Mark,
Yup I guess the next video will be the Naza dance (compass calibration), easy to do but bad news if you forget to do it or cant get it to work. ;D
Jim.
LOL
just putting my GPS module on the quad now need to re-set the gps and dance again ?
but then might nip out to test it works
Naza on this frame is just a different personality to a good one thankfully :)
Quote from: MarkLincs on September 11, 2012, 05:47:58 PM
LOL
just putting my GPS module on the quad now need to re-set the gps and dance again ?
but then might nip out to test it works
Naza on this frame is just a different personality to a good one thankfully :)
Yes Mark you have to redo dance after any change you make on the quad, any change. :D
Jim.
Do they do Yorkshire subtitles?!!? Don't understand a word he's saying.... :laugh: :laugh:
Only kidding. AWESOME VID.
That said I think I may now need to go and buy the GPS module for my Naza...damn you costing me yet more money!!!
Lol shunty!
Did wonder who it was till I saw the avatar avatar!!! Sat in chippy now after a hard day down 'tut' mine lol :)
And yes get the gps or your only having half the fun!!! And make sure u get it from Simon!!!
Jim
Nice one jim keep up the good work ; ;D
Cool - the Naza King of the Hill :D
Quote from: Asomaro on September 11, 2012, 07:01:56 PM
Cool - the Naza King of the Hill :D
Lol even have DJI in my name 3 DJI M (not intentional) ;D
Jim.
Excellent video 3DJIM, I was one of the many who has struggled with this and all is now clear. Thanks
Good video Jim. Very informative.
Cheers, Mark
Quote from: 3DJIM on September 11, 2012, 06:25:24 PM
Lol shunty!
Did wonder who it was till I saw the avatar avatar!!! Sat in chippy now after a hard day down 'tut' mine lol :)
And yes get the gps or your only having half the fun!!! And make sure u get it from Simon!!!
Jim
Nice one mi ol' cock. Thas ad a reet day ere to. Ready f't pint o ale....
Will defo be getting GPS by the looks!!
Quote from: 3DJIM on September 11, 2012, 06:00:28 PM
Yes Mark you have to redo dance after any change you make on the quad, any change. :D
Jim - when you say any change, that's physical positioning isn't it - you don't have to do the dance if you just made a software adjustment via the Naza do you ?
Hi Jim,
That's great! Thanks for doing the video.
One question: When your's goes into failsafe you have a little throttle on. Is that important or does it ignore the throttle setting in fail safe?
Thanks again!
Simon
Quote from: simondale on September 11, 2012, 08:32:28 PM
Hi Jim,
That's great! Thanks for doing the video.
One question: When your's goes into failsafe you have a little throttle on. Is that important or does it ignore the throttle setting in fail safe?
Thanks again!
Simon
Set your fail safe above 10% otherwise it won't work
so set the fail safe to say 15/20% and the RTH Should work
Cool. Thanks Mark
Quote from: CurryKitten on September 11, 2012, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: 3DJIM on September 11, 2012, 06:00:28 PM
Yes Mark you have to redo dance after any change you make on the quad, any change. :D
Jim - when you say any change, that's physical positioning isn't it - you don't have to do the dance if you just made a software adjustment via the Naza do you ?
Only physical changes m8, add anything remove anything move anything redo it. And yup simon above 10% throttle.
Compass calibration vid now rendering or 'The NAZA Dance' as its known!
Jim.
My next question is going to be about gains. Mine are set at the defaults:
Basic gain:
Pitch: 130%
Roll: 130%
Yaw: 120%
Vertical: 130%
Attitude gain:
Pitch: 140%
Roll: 140%
I see your's are set at 100% across the board Jim. But you have your's set up for remote adjust and I don't yet (the two extra servo cables are at work - I'll grab them tomorrow).
What do you reckon gains should be set at?
Cheers!
Simon
Simon,
Ignore all other settings in the video as I did a reset to do the video, I'm going to do a dedicated video for gains soon, and yes I use remote gains apart from vertical which I have at 160.
Basic gains are very good and will work just fine, I will go into it deeper in the upcoming video.
Jim.
Excellent! Have some Karma from me!
Hi All,
I have problems with a NAZA in failsafe mode. Its a quad and fly's well in Manual mode but in Attii Mode it is exceptionally slow to respond to changes in throttle, especial during and landing phase when the motors tend to run on at closed thro The motors also start at a high speed when arming so high that the quad leaves the ground slightly, yes I have the motor mixer slider as far to the left as it will go.
Fail safe is a disaster. I set it up almost exactly as the video that starts this thread, but used Swich D on my Futaba T10CG to inject an offset into the Chanel 5 that controls mode. I tested the fail safe "activation" by both switching off the TX and operating the switch, not at the same time but in 2 separate tests, both "did what it says on the tin". So to the fatefull flying test. Set the home position by powering up and arming in the middle of the flying club field. Flew about 60 yards down the strip at about 20 ft high and switched in Failsafe via sw D. The quad rose to about 60 or so feet and started to head for home, it reached what I guess was the home point and then started to hover at about the same height. I hovered for about 10-20second then started to descend very slowly. After about 15-30 seconds of slowly descending all 4 motors stopped. I reset Sw D and the motors restarted but of course too late. Not a lot of damage only to the reputation of the NAZA. I have flown the Quad since and it is just as unresponsive to throttle in Attri Mode and still flies well in Manual.Settings are:Quad X, Motor Mixer Low, Cut off Intelligent, Basic gains all 120%, Attitude gain 150%, Intelligent Orientation Selected controlled by Chanel 6 but as yet not enabled, Go-Home and land.
Any ideas very welcome
Regards
John
Hi John,
1) First let me see some pics of your quad
2) what lipo and how old?
3) how heavy is your quad?
4) Turn off voltage monitor see if that helps (if not set correctly it will rob power but not in manual mode )
5) what motors and esc's?, if not the DJI esc's have you calibrated the esc's endpoints? (dji ones don't require this)
6) Re calibrate your TX
7) Make sure you re calibrate the compass after any change on quad
8) set vert gain to 180
9) make sure you don't have dual rates set on tx or any expo/throttle curves on throttle channel
10) the motors will run on for 3-5 secs after landing and in Manual mode they will just keep running
I'm sure we can get to the bottom of it, the Naza is awesome and I've not found one that cant be sorted but that said im sure a few bad ones could appear!! (did I say that?!!). All of the above may seem basic to you but without having it sat in front of me its not easy to diagnose in text :)
Cheers
Jim.
Hi,
Thanks for the very rapid reply, its tea time now, as we say in the North so I will assemble a reply on the morning. Sure your right and its a combination of wrong things from me.
Regards
John
Quote from: WSWhitby on October 02, 2012, 07:31:09 PM
Hi,
Thanks for the very rapid reply, its tea time now, as we say in the North so I will assemble a reply on the morning. Sure your right and its a combination of wrong things from me.
Regards
John
No worries John, look forward to your response :)
Jim.
Hi Jim,
Long List to go, sorry no pic will forward when I have worked out how to insert same.
2. I have 6 off 5Ah 3 cell of various types, 3 are nano-tech all > 30C. I use them one at a time of course, in the NAZA and also in a MultiWii quad of very similar weight and power. From the MultiWii I get 10-15 min flights without "Pushing my Luck". They have all an average of 20-40 charge discharge cycles. They are all routinely checked using a proprietary battery checker after each charge and regularly balanced.
3. 1.12 Kg battery no VPV gear.
4 Will do.
5. All ESC's end points set independently of the NAZA,using a servo tester.
6. Do you mean go through the "NAZA software Assistant" calibration routine, move all the sticks through their full range ect, If so done on several occasions.
7. Done at least each time I did the above calibration. However the success of the process, as monitored by the colour of the LED had to be repeated on a few occasions.
8. Will do.
9. Done all rate inhibited and no expo.
10. That would be fine if the motors spooled down to a lower speed.
Hope that lot helps
Thanks for advise so far pics to come
regards
John
Hi John,
Have you tried points 4 & 8 today?
Lets go back to the first point of No. 5) what motors and esc's?
Cheers
Jim.
Hi Jim,
Some work and some Wind in the frozen North prevents me from flying but a quick tethered run in the back garden was risked yesterday. Its a very small garden so no flight possible and its a fair trek to our flying site. I am afraid the motors still seem to run very fast on arming. Local weather today seems a lot calmer unfortunately I am working late afternoon early evening so no time to get to our flying site, such is the cross that we self employed carry.
Will report as soon as I have tested as all your suggestions are now in place. Still haven't managed to down load a picture, lack of time to try. Quick idea, on calibration of end points of ESC's. Do you find with your Quad that the minimum motor speed can be reduced using the Assistant software? If so I definatly have a problem with Naza/ESC's, I could however artificially increase the lower setting of throttle during calibration hence when Naza signals low it will be below the calibrated minimum for the ESC's, just an idea!
ps
I should read before writing Motors are Turnigy 28/26 1200Kv ESC's are Hobby King "Blue Series" 30 amp.
Its the same setup as my other Quad MultiWii FC. I also use the ESC's on a Hex MultiWii but with different motors. The calibration routine on all as been the same.
Regards
John
Hi Jim,
Picture as promised I hope. Still no Flying.
(http://s8.postimage.org/lfr7vmo3l/Quad_No_FPV.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lfr7vmo3l/)
Regards
John
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the PM I feel such a fool being unable to find the original thread, :'( never mind you "rode to the rescue" and now I have "bookmarked" it.
The Quad is almost there I had a quick flight this afternoon, managed to sneak off early, all, apart from Fail safe, which I haven't tried, seems much better. The problem with the high throttle on arming has gone away. I started again with a blank configuration in my Futaba 10C and put every thing to default. I then started again and set and calibrated every thing including re establishing the range of the ESC's. I now find that I have to set the motor mixer to two clicks up to get all motors to start. I haven't had time to investigate which setting or settings was wrong but I suspect it was Trim or sub trim.
The vertical gain is now 200% and still a little sluggish in height control and it wonders a little with left thumb off the stick, but I can work on that.
I will in the very near future, when I get a little more play time switch the Naza to my Hex. It flies very well on MultiWii and is a lot more stable and "solid" than either of my Quads, so who knows maybe an other load of problems for you to help with.
Keep up the good work, helping people and the great flying as seen on your Vids
Regards
John
PS Give him some Karma he deserves it.
John,
No worries im always around to lend a hand :), glad your getting the quad dialed in now and look forward to some vids from you too!!
Jim.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzbQc88cnPE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzbQc88cnPE#)
Quote from: Coyote on October 20, 2012, 02:28:26 AM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzbQc88cnPE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzbQc88cnPE#)
EPIC!!! I knew it all along! Marcin loves Naza!!
Jim.
He does, from the horses mouth, cant argue with that :)
What was he doing under the table, seems to be some movement there as he shouts i luv the naza!
Hi Guys... Thanks for all the info.
Need some help if possible as it seems i've been going around in circles trying to figure out what is the right way to get the failsafe set up.
Couple of question here...
1. Why two failsafe options? I actually have my three position switch set up with Manual, ATTI & GPS and I have them working properly I think? But I set them up with the throttle at 0, low stick. So do I need to start over and bind with the throttle above 10%? So when I do turn off the transmitter the failsafe box turns blue AND the throttle jumps to lets say 20%.
2. And should the manual position be set to failsafe?
I guess I don't really understand the ar8000 failsafe and then why you need the Naza failsafe at the same time? And when to use which one at what time?? HA!
THANKS!!!!
Set the failsafe on the receiver so that the throttle is above 10%. You can test this via the Naza assist by turning the Tx off and seeing where the throttle position is on the calibration screen. 20-30% is just fine.
If you wish you can set your 3 position switch to GPS, Atti, Failsafe by setting the position correctly to get them turning blue. Check the failsafe again by turning the Tx off to ensure the mode goes from GPS or Atti to Failsafe and back again.
Manual can come much latter once you have mastered the Naza and the quad in both GPS and ATTI modes and made sure that failsafe works well.
Any clearer? Have fun.
Mick
I've just delved into the world of quads and have purchased a Naza with GPS for my DJI 450 Flame Wheel.
I've gone through the setup no problems and have a three position switch working with M, Atti and GPS. All good. I have also programmed in the Failsafe option so that when you turn the tx off, it goes to failsafe and sets the throttle at 25%. All good at this point.
My query however, I like the option of having M, Atti and GPS on the switch, but I was wondering is there anyway of assigning another switch via a mix which will trigger the RTH without having to resort to turning the tx off? Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks.
PS I'm using a Futaba 9C tx
Hi Matt, don`t set your throttle to 25% on failsafe, it should be 50 - 55% throttle.
You could add a mix to add RTH, but you could just change Manual for RTH instead ?
Quote from: mjc1970 on April 17, 2013, 11:37:41 PM
I've just delved into the world of quads and have purchased a Naza with GPS for my DJI 450 Flame Wheel.
I've gone through the setup no problems and have a three position switch working with M, Atti and GPS. All good. I have also programmed in the Failsafe option so that when you turn the tx off, it goes to failsafe and sets the throttle at 25%. All good at this point.
My query however, I like the option of having M, Atti and GPS on the switch, but I was wondering is there anyway of assigning another switch via a mix which will trigger the RTH without having to resort to turning the tx off? Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks.
PS I'm using a Futaba 9C tx
you will need to swap it for another mode RTH instead of M i think
Thanks Guys.
Ian, my mistake, I have the thtottle set above 50% for failsafe when I turn the TX off.
I know I can change the 3pos switch to do away with the Manual mode, but I would like the flexibility of keeping all three flight modes, but having a separate switch on a mix which will trigger the RTH. I have seen it done using the DX7 and DX8 in videos and just wanted to see if anyone has done it on a 9c. I will get it all plugged in and see if I can achieve the same.
Cheers
Yeah just add a mix, the 3 position switch as the master, the RTH switch as the slave. Plug Naza into PC and play with mix percentage until it highlights RTH. The only thing you have to watch is what it will do if you accidentally flick the RTH switch when your not in manual mode, because it will / could go into another mode instead
Thanks Ian. I'll have a play tomorrow evening and let you know how I get on.
Cheers