Maiden and failed launches of my Falcon EVO

Started by AdamG, January 18, 2016, 04:43:05 PM

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AdamG

The maiden took place Saturday. Firstly I hit the deck twice before getting it in the air (included in the vid). I had some even worse attempts which were more like crashes (upside down etc) but the impact on the GoPro turned it off and lost the recording :(

So last night i'm looking at it and I realise that the prop is on the wrong way round! does this make a huge difference to the amount of thrust? I assume it makes quite a difference due to the scoop design when spinning the right way  :+

AP was behaving well in PA (stabalised) but RTH was losing altitude too quick when banking. I've reduced the gain and angle but forgot to test on the second flight as I was just enjoying flying.

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BigT

A Reversed prop would probably lose 60 to 80% of thrust depending on the design of the prop causing cavitation.


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AdamG

Quote from: BigT on January 18, 2016, 05:11:27 PM
A Reversed prop would probably lose 60 to 80% of thrust depending on the design of the prop causing cavitation.

This probably explains why I had trouble launching it! Even on 100% throttle!

Its an APC 6 x 4
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Brucey


Coyote

Hehehe

Apart from the severe lack of power it flew pretty well and no bots fell off which has to be a positive :)
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AdamG

Haha yeah it went well for wing that was put together a bit backwards  :laugh:I did think it wasn't as quick as i expected  :laugh:

Ordered 2 4amp multistar's to upgrade from the 2.2amp I'm using now. Looking forward to trying it again with the prop on the right way  :D
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BlueFlyer

lol at the backwards prop...oops... we've all been there.

is the motor a 2200kv?

I managed good flight times with a 1400kv motor and a 8x4 APC type prop on my falcon Evo.

Western

Nice one Adam. Looks a great place to fly.
Best wishes. Mark
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AdamG

Quote from: BlueFlyer on January 18, 2016, 09:09:15 PM
lol at the backwards prop...oops... we've all been there.

is the motor a 2200kv?

I managed good flight times with a 1400kv motor and a 8x4 APC type prop on my falcon Evo.

A new lesson every time i fly  :P

Yeah its a 2200v with the 6x4, what flying wings label as the 'sport' power system. I'm tempted to buy a 1400v with an 8x4 and its a simple 4 screws to swap between sport and eco  :D I think the motors a pretty cheap too!

I had to add a bit of weight in the battery bay to balance the wing... I think going from the 2.2 to the 4amp battery It will balance perfectly without the weights.
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FPVSteve

Always make the the numbers (i.e. 6x4) face the front of the prop :)

Billy_boy_2010

Quote from: AdamG on January 18, 2016, 08:35:14 PM
Ordered 2 4amp multistar's to upgrade from the 2.2amp I'm using now. Looking forward to trying it again with the prop on the right way  :D

These are what I use.

She will even carry two of the 4000s and an autopilot at a bit of a push. Launching is tougher (although Im using the 1400 kv motor) and the stall speed is higher but it makes for super long flight times. Too long realy it got a bit boring so I normally fly with just 1.

wgt40w

AdamG

Having been very impressed with your skilled Irish Skywalker video - I am pleased to see this Thread proves you are actually human.

"Onwards and upwards".

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AdamG

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Quote from: Steve W on January 18, 2016, 09:37:03 PM
Always make the the numbers (i.e. 6x4) face the front of the prop :)

Haha! Yeah I won't be making this mistake again... I hope  :goofy:

Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on January 18, 2016, 09:41:00 PM
These are what I use.

She will even carry two of the 4000s and an autopilot at a bit of a push. Launching is tougher (although Im using the 1400 kv motor) and the stall speed is higher but it makes for super long flight times. Too long realy it got a bit boring so I normally fly with just 1.

I really cannot fit a second one in there, I've cut out extra space to fit my AP and my gear bay is rammed so full! But like you say, I think 4000 will give enough time for a fun flight. You must be up for a while on just the one if Blue can manage 20 mins on a 2200. What flight times are you achieving?

Quote from: wgt40w on January 18, 2016, 09:43:21 PM
AdamG

Having been very impressed with your skilled Irish Skywalker video - I am pleased to see this Thread proves you are actually human.

"Onwards and upwards".

             :laugh:


:laugh: :laugh: believe me i'm very human and make plenty of mistakes  :laugh: you may have missed the thread where i managed to blow up the ESC on this and shatter the prop before it even left home  :facepalm: I think I crashed it in the field 5 times and did pretty much zero damage  :P

Quote from: Western on January 18, 2016, 09:10:44 PM
Nice one Adam. Looks a great place to fly.
Best wishes. Mark

Cheers Mark. Its a nice park and that field is about 1km long  :o I like it for real low down flying
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Billy_boy_2010

Quote from: AdamG on January 18, 2016, 09:59:54 PM

I really cannot fit a second one in there, I've cut out extra space to fit my AP and my gear bay is rammed so full! But like you say, I think 4000 will give enough time for a fun flight. You must be up for a while on just the one if Blue can manage 20 mins on a 2200. What flight times are you achieving?


I don't pay a lot of attention to flight times- 2 setups could potentially cover the same distance with the same battery usage with one flying for 20 mins and another slower model flying for 25-30 mins. I get bored after a while anyway and concentration starts to fade. But I know I covered at least 28km total distance with around 5000-5500mah of battery in the falcon. I think it was cruising at around 6-7A from memory but I forget in truth. Had I spent more time tuning it and tweaking it I would imagine I could have reduced the cruise current a fair amount.

I put my second multistar right at the back on top of the autopilot- it's almost on the CG here so doesn't throw it off much. The hatch still just about shuts when taped up. And I moved the esc to the very back.

If you're happy with the performance of a 4000 stick with it. I do most of the time. But if you had a real range target in mind- and based on your skywalker I suspect you may do (the falcon isn't a bashing wing) putting a second in there is an option. Over the summer I will see what sort of distance I can cover with the 2x 4000s. I reckon 40km is reasonable. What's the total range of your fully laden laden skywalker?

The only real disadvantage is the stall speed goes up a fair bit (and it's not as fun or playful)- which in turn means you don't have the option of really throttling back and enjoying the view/object you're flying around. The broad speed envelope of wings really appeals to me- but if you load the falcon up you do lose this a little.

Brucey

Sounds like you just want one battery, if the second one makes it handle like a bus!