is Windows 10 worth it

[FPVSteve]

There are far more Windows users than OSX so don't be fooled into a false sense of security; they certainly have their own issues! One being that Apple Music now deletes your entire music library from your local disk, and streams the tracks back to you. Don't pay your monthly subscription? Well - hope you had backups of all of your music files...  Brilliant. https://blog.vellumatlanta.com/2016/05/04/apple-stole-my-music-no-seriously/

[helimadness]

Absolutely agree, user error, didn't realise I needed a recovery cd, no one told me I couldn't recover or reset the password without it, unlike 7 etc.
Indie switch it out of tablet mode but it still didn't look like all the other Windows versions I have used. Plus none of my machines had a fast enough processor, but that didn't stop MS from bombarding me with upgrade now messages that I stopped but kept coming back. Funny thing, you don't here Apple users complain very often do you? Well I don't anyway.

Each to there own and its healthy for the world to have different views to stop one company becoming a monopoly.

As for apple its absolutely not for me. When Ipads first came out I brought one to see if I liked apple products having been a windows user all my life. I was needed a new ph and computer in the near future so the ipad was a test. It completely turned me off there products and I will never buy another apple bit of software again. There hardware mostly good although a little limiting. But there OS I cant stand.

I got my wife to buy it for me in Hong Kong as you cant buy the 3G ones in China where we are currently living. So she gets home from her trip, im all excited to start playing with my new toy. Get it out of the box and cant even turn it on until you sync with Itunes. I have never used itunes in my life and never intended to. After messing around couldn't work out any other way to turn it on so had to let it sit on the table for the 2 hours it took to down load Itunes on our slow china internet. I was hopeing the Ipad would be a short term replacement for a laptop for say a week at a time while traveling as I do a lot of traveling.
It has to be the most un user friendly thing I have ever owned. Trying to simply copy files to it you couldn't. There is no USB support and no way of getting simple things like a PDF to it. My Apple friends said just email it. Other than being a stupid way to send a file to a device that is sitting next to another it was too big to email. I also thought I would get a bluetooth headset so I could use skype. Then find out there bluetooth only works with keyboards and nothing else. There is no file system everything is just plastered on the desk top.
So then learn about Jailbreaking. Jail broke it and things got easier. Could then plug in USB's, it had a file system and things started to be more usable. Problem then is apple force you to update OS every week and the jail breakers cant keep up. So now the only use I have for it is to amuse my 3 year old sometimes. But even then we tried to load movies onto it for a long haul flight recently and couldn't do that.

Anyway that's my rant on Apple. I think if you are going to buy a new apple computer just be prepared to buy a new ph, tablet, tv. No idea where it stops. But if everything is not apple nothing will work.

As for the opening post question, I upgraded to win10 last night and really like it so far.

One interesting thing between apple and windows / android devices is a lot of apple people feel the need advertise to the world how great it is. You certainly dont get that with windows. But then maybe that's because windows users use it to do a job and it does it. Apple is more about image. not sure but certainly a different attitude.

Also recently I have had 3 close friends move from apple to android for ph use.

Cheers

[helimadness]

There are far more Windows users than OSX so don't be fooled into a false sense of security; they certainly have their own issues! One being that Apple Music now deletes your entire music library from your local disk, and streams the tracks back to you. Don't pay your monthly subscription? Well - hope you had backups of all of your music files...  Brilliant. https://blog.vellumatlanta.com/2016/05/04/apple-stole-my-music-no-seriously/

Wow that totally blows me away. I have a Asus Zenbook Ultra book which I love because its so small and light its great for traveling. Only problem is its only got a 256gb SSD which is often full and I have to move stuff to a storage drive. Looking around at new computers recently 3 years on from when I brought this the storage space just hasn't increased as much as it should have. Im told its because every one stores stuff on the cloud. For apple it is obviously a way to keep track of piracy. For me the cloud makes no sense. I dont always have internet when traveling for a start. Or its so bad getting emails is hard enough. If the cloud is the key to storage  then you need a super fast internet connection all the time for it to be an option. What do you do with your 3-4 GB FPV videos after every flight. Certainly not practical to stream. Would be hours of uploading / downloading for minutes of footage for me. Then not available when traveling.

So what do you do with Apple Music if you want to listern to some music on a plane? Looks like apple wont let you. Nice of them to rule your life like that. :-)

Enough string for now.

Thanks everyone for helpful posts. All going good with the upgrade so far.

[Loopdreams]

Each to there own and its healthy for the world to have different views to stop one company becoming a monopoly.

As for apple its absolutely not for me. When Ipads first came out I brought one to see if I liked apple products having been a windows user all my life. I was needed a new ph and computer in the near future so the ipad was a test. It completely turned me off there products and I will never buy another apple bit of software again. There hardware mostly good although a little limiting. But there OS I cant stand.

I got my wife to buy it for me in Hong Kong as you cant buy the 3G ones in China where we are currently living. So she gets home from her trip, im all excited to start playing with my new toy. Get it out of the box and cant even turn it on until you sync with Itunes. I have never used itunes in my life and never intended to. After messing around couldn't work out any other way to turn it on so had to let it sit on the table for the 2 hours it took to down load Itunes on our slow china internet. I was hopeing the Ipad would be a short term replacement for a laptop for say a week at a time while traveling as I do a lot of traveling.
It has to be the most un user friendly thing I have ever owned. Trying to simply copy files to it you couldn't. There is no USB support and no way of getting simple things like a PDF to it. My Apple friends said just email it. Other than being a stupid way to send a file to a device that is sitting next to another it was too big to email. I also thought I would get a bluetooth headset so I could use skype. Then find out there bluetooth only works with keyboards and nothing else. There is no file system everything is just plastered on the desk top.
So then learn about Jailbreaking. Jail broke it and things got easier. Could then plug in USB's, it had a file system and things started to be more usable. Problem then is apple force you to update OS every week and the jail breakers cant keep up. So now the only use I have for it is to amuse my 3 year old sometimes. But even then we tried to load movies onto it for a long haul flight recently and couldn't do that.

Anyway that's my rant on Apple. I think if you are going to buy a new apple computer just be prepared to buy a new ph, tablet, tv. No idea where it stops. But if everything is not apple nothing will work.

As for the opening post question, I upgraded to win10 last night and really like it so far.

One interesting thing between apple and windows / android devices is a lot of apple people feel the need advertise to the world how great it is. You certainly dont get that with windows. But then maybe that's because windows users use it to do a job and it does it. Apple is more about image. not sure but certainly a different attitude.

Also recently I have had 3 close friends move from apple to android for ph use.

Cheers

At home we've had two iPads and two different android tablets.  The android tablets have both required various bouts of dicking around with and even then seem to just be generally flaky.  The iPads have been almost entirely trouble-free.  At work it's a similar story, we have clinicians with iPads and others with various android devices.  The android devices are flaky but a bit more flexible.

So I can see why some people prefer Apple stuff even if I'm not a total convert.  My phone is android and my desktop computers and servers are mostly windows though we also run some Linux servers.

I'm honestly quite ambivalent as to what OS or device I'm using, all of them seem to generally work ok but Apple's less open system is inevitably going to produce greater reliability at the cost of decreased flexibility.  It's a clear choice.  Stating that it's just all about image or whatever betrays a lack of understanding as to their popularity.

[iPeel]

I rarely wade into OSX vs Windows debates, largely because I think people have already made up their minds about which side they're going to support and anyone with an alternate opinion just gets pigeon holed into the "they're wrong" box; I think Windows advocates have an opinion of Apple users that isn't always justified though. I use Apple products and have done so for five years or so, I do so because I like the level of integration between them and as a systems developer I appreciate the Unix-like environment of OSX which lets me easily manage the networks of equipment I oversee and presents me with a development environment I can code and deploy efficiently in. OSX also seems to augment it's working environment more around the human instead of the operating system, a good example being scrolling which took Windows a while to realise people should navigate the screen in relation to the content rather than the scroll bar.

While I agree that IOS hardware is locked in, OSX hardware is not at all. I can find more stuff I need to do my job in OSX than I can in Windows, but the RC side of things is very different and I need to keep machines handy I can use the odd app in for configuring flight controllers and stuff. For a while I did part design in Solidworks and after all the agro of working with the Windows UX moved across to Fusion360 on the Mac which is a breath of fresh air. A lot of the opinions of OSX stem from the pre-BSD days where a lot of stuff wasn't configurable and software was very buggy (we used to say Macintosh stood for Most Applications Crash If Not The Operating System Hangs!). Nowadays the UX is very different and everything in OSX can be tweaked, however unlike Windows which has a good depth of configurability through UI, OSX has only the easy / quick to configure stuff in the UI and the rest through command line tweaks. OSX will let you install from non third-party sources easily with a good warning system to determine whether the content is signed or not.

I have both Android and IOS (again, Android purely for configuring and managing some RC stuff) and what I like about the IOS kit is how integrated it is with the Desktop. Apple decided that people want great integration between mobile and desktop but that the UX should be different between the two, because the input mechanisms are different, the real estate is different and overall the use cases are different too, this really works. What I mean is for example I can receive a text message (SMS) on my mobile and can read & reply to that message on my desktop, Google has attempted this with hangouts but this is confusing because certain messages can be seen and replied to across devices but not others. Likewise, pictures and video taken on the iPhone can be picked up on any desktop which is cool but doesn't work quite fast enough leading to a bit of annoyance. As I say, Apple has managed a good level of integration without enforcing that you work the same way across devices. Apple music hasn't deleted my music library and I regularly purchase and download music destined for foriegn devices like my car, there's bits of iTunes that's annoying like rentals only working on the device you rented them from but generally their policy of family sharing and content management is pretty good.

The hardware itself is great, and the after care support is second to none. I've had a stuck pixel in a Macbook replaced with no quibble at all in less than an hour and if the missus' says she can't do something I send her to the Apple store for free training rather than having to spend any of my precious little patience showing her.

I'm sure people have similar views of PC-based and Android-based vendors and that's great, because competition keeps them on their toes; personally though coming from the Windows / Android world into ther IOS / OSX world I'm far happier with the latter.

[BigT]

iPeel that makes a lot of sense to me as a user. It was explained to me by a Apple Genius that Aple believes that bluetooth is not secure so only has it on the iPad and iPhone to allow connection with Android gear and car radios for example, providing Air Drop as a quicker and more secure system.
If only the computer savvy, tech experts, etc etc could understand the fear that we non tech savvy users have of doing something like the free upgrade to 10.  I lost 60% of the content of the laptop when I reverted back to 7.   The MS testing firmware told me that the laptop would run 10, it did but only just. So obviously there must be an ideal specification that makes 10 work smooth and fast.  I did a bit of research and found a list of the programs that 10 either dumps in the upgrade or removes completely, which it did,  media player being one.
I understand that one day I will have to change, but I still have an old machine running XP OK :)

[keukpa]

I rarely wade into OSX vs Windows debates, largely because I think people have already made up their minds about which side they're going to support and anyone with an alternate opinion just gets pigeon holed into the "they're wrong" box; I think Windows advocates have an opinion of Apple users that isn't always justified though. I use Apple products and have done so for five years or so, I do so because I like the level of integration between them and as a systems developer I appreciate the Unix-like environment of OSX which lets me easily manage the networks of equipment I oversee and presents me with a development environment I can code and deploy efficiently in. OSX also seems to augment it's working environment more around the human instead of the operating system, a good example being scrolling which took Windows a while to realise people should navigate the screen in relation to the content rather than the scroll bar.

While I agree that IOS hardware is locked in, OSX hardware is not at all. I can find more stuff I need to do my job in OSX than I can in Windows, but the RC side of things is very different and I need to keep machines handy I can use the odd app in for configuring flight controllers and stuff. For a while I did part design in Solidworks and after all the agro of working with the Windows UX moved across to Fusion360 on the Mac which is a breath of fresh air. A lot of the opinions of OSX stem from the pre-BSD days where a lot of stuff wasn't configurable and software was very buggy (we used to say Macintosh stood for Most Applications Crash If Not The Operating System Hangs!). Nowadays the UX is very different and everything in OSX can be tweaked, however unlike Windows which has a good depth of configurability through UI, OSX has only the easy / quick to configure stuff in the UI and the rest through command line tweaks. OSX will let you install from non third-party sources easily with a good warning system to determine whether the content is signed or not.

I have both Android and IOS (again, Android purely for configuring and managing some RC stuff) and what I like about the IOS kit is how integrated it is with the Desktop. Apple decided that people want great integration between mobile and desktop but that the UX should be different between the two, because the input mechanisms are different, the real estate is different and overall the use cases are different too, this really works. What I mean is for example I can receive a text message (SMS) on my mobile and can read & reply to that message on my desktop, Google has attempted this with hangouts but this is confusing because certain messages can be seen and replied to across devices but not others. Likewise, pictures and video taken on the iPhone can be picked up on any desktop which is cool but doesn't work quite fast enough leading to a bit of annoyance. As I say, Apple has managed a good level of integration without enforcing that you work the same way across devices. Apple music hasn't deleted my music library and I regularly purchase and download music destined for foriegn devices like my car, there's bits of iTunes that's annoying like rentals only working on the device you rented them from but generally their policy of family sharing and content management is pretty good.

The hardware itself is great, and the after care support is second to none. I've had a stuck pixel in a Macbook replaced with no quibble at all in less than an hour and if the missus' says she can't do something I send her to the Apple store for free training rather than having to spend any of my precious little patience showing her.

I'm sure people have similar views of PC-based and Android-based vendors and that's great, because competition keeps them on their toes; personally though coming from the Windows / Android world into ther IOS / OSX world I'm far happier with the latter.

No, you're just wrong!

;)

Keukpa

[FPVSteve]

I've been a fan of Microsoft ever since they turned the advertising world on its head with the release of MS-DOS 5

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Apple have never come close as far as I'm concerned.

[iPeel]

That's a lot better than those awkward Intel adverts with Whatshisface from The Big Bang Theory.

[BigT]

Dr Sheldon Cooper

[_tj_]

Tried it on spare computer.

Tried it for 2 hours an reverted back.

Eventually it's inevitable that it'll need to be put back on.
But until then I'm sticking with 7

[electricmick]

I tried to upgrade from Windows 7 and it failed. Unfortunately during the process Windows detected that my copy of Win 7 was not totally kosher so it needed to be activated and gave me 7 days to do it. In the end I bought a new install of Win 10 and it works fine. A few grumbles but by the time you have unticked all the privacy boxes and got rid of much of the stupid bloatware it behaves much like Win 7 but without the need, so far, for any additional anti-virus software. One really good thing is that it starts up and shuts down very quickly. It is so quick I have changed habits and now shut it down if I am going to be away from the PC for more than a few hours. Happy so far, on balance.

Mick

[BigT]

I tried to upgrade from Windows 7 and it failed. Unfortunately during the process Windows detected that my copy of Win 7 was not totally kosher so it needed to be activated and gave me 7 days to do it. In the end I bought a new install of Win 10 and it works fine. A few grumbles but by the time you have unticked all the privacy boxes and got rid of much of the stupid bloatware it behaves much like Win 7 but without the need, so far, for any additional anti-virus software. One really good thing is that it starts up and shuts down very quickly. It is so quick I have changed habits and now shut it down if I am going to be away from the PC for more than a few hours. Happy so far, on balance.

Mick

What's your processor on your PC?

[electricmick]

Intel Core i5 3550 @3.3Ghz

[wgt40w]

I too have succumbed to temptation and upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 Home.

IMO it's just another Microsoft 'con' - an even fancier shop window, still with Windows 7 hidden away underneath. I find it a bit disappointing - I was hoping I could easily run live apps like BBC Weather and News that run so easily on my Android phone. Looking at the Microsoft Store - first impressions is that it doesn't want to have anything to do with a non-Microsoft app.
Does my PC run any faster?  I don't feel it does.
Is the overall system easier to use ?  Not really, again Microsoft has just moved access to all the background options and settings around - so you have to learn where they are all over again!

I expected to be able to have lots of free Apps to install - as per the Google Play Android store.