(http://www.hobbyic.com/product_images/m/048/fy31ap-3__48332_std.jpg)
Bit of luck i did'nt buy the FY21AP yesterday then!
the pic is all the info there is, look on the fy30a thread for differences from the 30 to the 20 which it should have.
we knew about the fy30 before june but never had any details till about 1st august, and as they just put this out were looking at xmas for it
First semester of university should fill that gap quite nicely :P
From what i can gather these are not going to be around any time soon until they shift the fy21 stock and are also going to cost more :(
As we are now halfway through November i was wondering if anyone have got any news on the fy31 ap release date.? Was this not supposed top be release end October?
My new FPV project are now at a dead stop and was hoping to have the new fy31 installed on it.
Wont be able to wait much longer though so might have to opt out and go for the fy21 AP.
Anyone know of any better system than the fy21ap that might be worth investing in.?
Quote from: plint on November 16, 2011, 12:40:50 AM
Wont be able to wait much longer though so might have to opt out and go for the fy21 AP.
I think that's exactly why they haven't released it yet, too many FY21's still in stock at dealers
:( No i think your stuffed i was thinking the same so i just picked up an FY30AP off simon just to be getting on with
They is a thread on rcg . When one of the guys asked "Where are the units"? One of FY lads just replied they already made and it's down to the translation / printing side and that good things take time :laugh:
If they aren't here in the next 2 weeks or so i think we may be stuffed with the christmas break looming
I'm in no great hurry now
I've got plenty of projects to be getting on with and quite honestly I've found that since I discovered I need to practice LOS more before getting too deep into FPV that I'm enjoying it and I'm flying LOS whenever the opportunity arrises
I will do FPV as that's what my heart is set on, just that right now I'm finding flying quite relaxing and enjoyable and of course it'll be better for when I do go FPV
:D Just got a mail from foxtec Fu is expecting them in over the weekend all been well :cooldance:
Cool, Fu owes me a cable as well
Fy31 at foxtech this weekend. Cheers for sharing the ino.!! I hope this is for real as it really made my week. I will be keeping a close eye on their site. Pls can you let us know soon as you know more.
Happy days........
Ive just ordered mine about 10 minutes ago, only 4 left on the foxtech stock count ;D ;D ;D
They still have 4 left ...... get them while you can
FY -31AP autopilot with Hornet-FY OSD.FPV angle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zjZDdMdLnE#)
Is that system keeping the plane level and stable throughout that flight?
the hornet looks like a good contender for a reasonably priced OSD. combined with the FY31ap, I can't get over how good the price is of these units. I remember just getting into this stuff and the FY stabilisation stuff seemed so expensive at the time.
perhaps on a bigger/better FPV solution in the future like a skywalker or something, but a bit overkill for my bixler i think
There are very few OSD/Stabilisation systems with auto return home, this is one of about 4 available
It's priced about the same as the others
RVOSD 5 is a good one
I was going to buy the FY this morning but have decided against it as yet again it's too advanced for me when what I really need to do is get out and fly the planes I've got (I still haven't fpv'd a plane)
Quote from: TeeJay on November 29, 2011, 11:07:20 AM
(I still haven't fpv'd a plane)
me neither mate. hoping that will change at the weekend, depending on the arrival of certain bits and bobs from our friend HobbyKing (in other words I wont hold my breath :) )
Quote from: chrisbrit81 on November 29, 2011, 11:16:39 AM
Quote from: TeeJay on November 29, 2011, 11:07:20 AM
(I still haven't fpv'd a plane)
me neither mate. hoping that will change at the weekend, depending on the arrival of certain bits and bobs from our friend HobbyKing (in other words I wont hold my breath :) )
And the ruddy weather
Had stunning weather last week but my wife was taken into hospital so I lost 6 hours a day just visiting on top of having to do everything she normally does at home, now she's back and I'm not having to travel (still doing the housework though) the weather has turned crap
Think I'll buy a new plane to cheer myself up :)
do it TeeJay I know you want that B2 bomber.... it is christmas after all ;)
Quote from: chrisbrit81 on November 29, 2011, 01:07:46 PM
do it TeeJay I know you want that B2 bomber.... it is christmas after all ;)
Actually right now I want an FMS Trojan T-28 (as well as all the others I've listed :) )
I have a list as long as my driveway, but not enough time, money,or space to have them all.
I think the ones are actually possible are the scout bee and a skywalker. or perhaps an FPVRaptor or x5 FPV wing
Well it's now in stock and boy does it look good well worth the wait and at £190 with the osd or £135 without delivered to the UK it doesn't get any better :D
FY31APHornet 7.3km (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sta9T9xLXiU#)
Where have you seen them at that price delivered Dave
From Foxtech it works out to around £212 delivered (assuming customs don't clobber us)
With full customs it's about £274
Yeah foxtech i just used xe to convert as shipping was $9 . Never being hit for customs when using foxtech and boy have i had some gear off him LOL and my x4 came last week which is a largish box
308.00 USD = 196.381 GBP inc shipping ($20) 5-7 days
208.00 USD = 132.655 GBP inc shipping ($20) 5-7 days
1 GBP = 1.56798 USD correct at the time of posting lol
Sorry but the uk weather isn't looking too great so waiting a week doesn't seem too bad
Got my fy-31ap from foxtech and payed with paypal. Was delivered 7th december to croydon surrey...No customs charges!
Heres the invoice:
(http://s11.postimage.org/7gw0s5ysv/Screen_shot_2011_12_10_at_15_24_55.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7gw0s5ysv/)
I got mine from Foxtech with no customs issues. Lovely bit of kit ;D
OMG
The rats nest below on bleedin works dunnit.
Chuffed to bits
Over the moon
Gonna go and have a little dance now :party:
woohoo
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/4909/ratsnest.jpg)
I was going to buy the FY-31AP but it has no PPM input and no RSSI
I was going to buy the RVOSD, but it was out of stock, and I couldnt wait. lol
Looking nice! How come you didn't go with ezosd (to get signal quality etc from ezuhf)?
Quote from: 6lennn on December 30, 2011, 07:12:17 PM
OMG
The rats nest below on bleedin works......
I have mixed ideas about both PPM and RSSI. What are they exactly?
the feature i was most interested in was rth
Return to home/launch
RVOSD was out of stock with no gauratee of a restock date,
So the fy&hornet seemed the best available option for my wishes
tbh I'm chuffed with it, but I dont have knowledge nor anything else to compare it to
Quote from: hga77 on January 05, 2012, 01:26:51 PM
I have mixed ideas about both PPM and RSSI. What are they exactly?
PPM is stands for Pulse Position Modulation. It contains the postions for all the servos for the channels your TX has.
RSSI is Receiver signal strength indicator
It is a voltage that can be made into a percentage on some OSDs to give you an idea of signal strenght
hope this helps a bit.
After selling my Tricopter, I've just ordered the FY31AP. It's destined for my FPV Raptor, but don't worry about all that rubbish from alishanmao about how the FY31AP doesn't like the FPV Raptor, that was all down to the stock electronics which I have replaced in full with known reliable equipment.
happy bunny right here :)
arrived yesterday (missus was out) picked up from distribution centre today. I can't get over how small this thing is!!!
one question... which is the right way up for the GPS sensor?
it seems a bit strange for them to put their gucci logo on the black part if it's just going to be mounted upside down?
should the logo be pointing to the sky or pointing to the ground?
logo down, the side where you can see the edge of the circuit board should point to the sky
hth
Just ordered two of them today, look very capable so I gave in.
While looking up reviews a problem keeps cropping up, the FY31 was freezing on the ground and in the air. This has been fixed though, its the extension cable going to the Hornet OSD, only use the two wires cable, if you use the four wired one all hell breaks loose, ground station won't work, no responses to sticks etc ;)
ow-er, better check mine
runs off.......
phew, I though the 4 wire connector was just an extention for the gps
What I don't get is if the two wire cable is used to share the GPS, then how does the OSD get the data for the artificial horizon ?
dunno but the setup that works is
gps plugged into the 31AP
there is a 4pin connector that has only 2 wires
ground to ground and pin3 to pin4
the connector with the white wire in pin4 plugs into the OSD, the side with the white wire in pin3 plugs into the 31AP
Instructions are not very clear on this so might save you some time, I wasted a good hour not realising this and kept swapping gps between osd and 31
:'(
Ah right cheers Glen :) I wonder what 4 pin 4 wire connector people keep plugging in on RCG then ? :shrug:
I just use the black and White cable Ian, I used the four cabled wire for the gps extension, mine not locked up but not flown it yet though
Ok, after more digging around I've found out that you are highly recommended to flash the ap and osd with the new firmware as a bug was found for this freezing problem
http://www.feiyu-tech.com/download_list-en.php (http://www.feiyu-tech.com/download_list-en.php)
That is what FY say you should do as soon as you open the box
An example of old firmware with bug :
Reboot of FY-31AP + Hornt OSD Combo... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwkESRBSWbY#ws)
oh, thanks ian
lol, mine is v1.3
better get downloading
Strange
on the video it show the firmware as 1.5.and has a fault
yet on the Feiyu Tech website they on have up to 1.4 fw for the osd
he had a fault with 1.5 which doesnt look like it released yet, im probably gonna hang on, you?
Hmm good point, I have 1.4 here too to put on, I`m going to email them, see whats what
In one of Ali Shanmao's videos where he demonstrates the FY31AP in his skywlaker, he points out an issue related to the 4 pin connector cable. Not sure if this is related in anyway to your problem Ian.
New Skywalker V5 Post Flight Look and Changes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w3OXYL2Q4g#ws)
Around 1:30
Ah that`s handy Tim, so if my two wire 4 pin connector turns up with one end with white in pin 3 it needs swapping to pin 4 on both :) Cool :)
I dont have my AP yet, its on its way, but found a few issues that`s why I posted them up
I just watched the videos from ali and he explains that the FY31 does not control the throttle. Why is that? I understand you use the failsafe for pre setting the throttle but I dont understand why the Fy31 then has a throttle plug.
Also, am I right in guessing that the ezUHF has that failsafe feature?
Been looking at this as it looks quite well priced as a rth+OSD combination. Question, can the locking up bug result in a crash?
My biggest fear with RTH is a lockout and crash. Has anyone thought about putting a switch between the servos or is that opening up a load of hassle and problems itself?
The FY31AP does control the throttle Mark, but like the DOSD good results vary, so I like others have left throttle control to me or set on failsafe to above cruise for no nasty surprises
Yes EZUHF has failsafe setting
Yes the locking up bug can result in a crash, but the V1.2 firmware has that solved "apparently"
Ali`s mod about swapping the white cable on the UART lead is wrong now BTW, I did it, the system didn`t work ( OSD did not communicate with FY31 ) I put it back to where is was and it worked fine
Paul`s FY has always worked, now they seem to have solved the software problem I expect this to do the same now................ hopefully :)
Thanks for clearing that up. I do have one more question - in the video Ali says you need 2 3 pos. switches. I only have one on my Futaba T7CP. Do I need to look into getting a new TX?
I only have 1 3 position switch on my Turnigy, you can do one of the following :
Use your 3 position switch and mix a 2 position switch to another to make another 3 position
Or like I have done
Use a 3 position switch and a two and loose functions you are never going to use. I will never use Waypoint Navigation, so whats the point in having it there in the first place I thought. So my FY31AP does, Normal flight - Stabilized on 2 position switch and Normal flight - Auto Circle Mode - Return To Home on the 3 position.
With the Turnigy though I have more flexibility, say as some point I want rid of the Auto Circle Mode and replace with Waypoint Navigation I could, or mix another switch in like the first option and have them all
thanks - you are a superstar.
While we are at the FY31 - I have one UBEC currently that powers my receiver. Can I use the same one for running the FY31 or does it need to be a seperate UBEC?
No the FY31 gets its power from the Aileron servo connection from the rx
hello coyote thanks for the great contribution here...please could you post the mixing of setting up 3 way switch with 2way switch for turnig radio with fy31 ap jst as you use it without navigation mode am stuck here big time
I was just going to ask the same question for a Futaba t7cp transmitter!
I use my FY31 with Stabilization switchable, flight modes : RC / ACM / RTH
So I use a 3 way switch to chose RC mode, Auto Circle or Return To Home and a 2 way switch for stabilization. My mixes are ER9X mixes so might not match stock Turnigy mixes but Ill post them up.
Is that what you are after or using a 3 & 2 way switch to activate the 4 flight modes ?
Thanks coyote for the response..Your set up is perfect for me as i will not in the near future use the nav mode..
unfortunately i have a stock 9x and not the er9x :-(
anyway be kind to post ur mixes please.
My ER9X mix is :
ID0 = + 125% HALF
ID1 = 125% FULL
ID2 = +- 125% HALF
I use the Gear switch for stabilization = 100% FULL GEAR
Quote from: mr_s81 on December 09, 2012, 07:09:55 PM
I was just going to ask the same question for a Futaba t7cp transmitter!
For a Futaba 7 transmitter using a Flap mix would be required. You would need to enable flaps, have the FY31AP flight mode input going to the flap output of the Futaba Rx ( channel 6 )
Then go into P-Mix menu, and edit the mix to give 100% on switch up ( air break function, then 100% on switch down, flaps )
any idea regarding the 9x stock firmware i want to use the same functions on stock firmware...
even if i get just off-stabilize on one switch
and rc-rtl on another switch
is this acheivable? i really am stuck with my skywalker, a turnigy 9x tx and the fy31ap
Please advise man
I flashed mine straight away so I`m not familiar with the stock firmware sorry
Thanks again Mr.Coyote....I have finally decided to upgrade my firmware t :Do er9x using smartie parts board
i have to wait another two weeks for the board to arrive in my country (Kenya) :-( just cant wait but have to.
appreciate your valuable contribution and time :D
Quote from: Coyote on December 10, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
My ER9X mix is :
ID0 = + 125% HALF
ID1 = 125% FULL
ID2 = +- 125% HALF
I use the Gear switch for stabilization = 100% FULL GEAR
Hello Again Coyote,
Managed to flash my 9x to er9x ;D
now regarding the mixes for the fy31ap 3 position switch......
1.i dont seem to be having a value of HALF
2.I assume i should do this in the mixer menu?
so this is how it goes
CH1 100% AIL
CH2 100% ELE
CH3 100% THR
CH4 100% RUD
CH5 100% FULL GEAR
NOW CHANNEL 6 IS WHERE I GET CONFUSED
I USE CHANNEL 7 FOR THE HORNET OSD DISPLAY SWITCH OVER
kINDLY ADVISE WHETHER THE MIXES YOU EARLIER STATED ARE ONLY ON CHANNEL 6 OR SEVERAL CHANNELS HAVE TO BE CREATED TO SERVE THE PURPOSE OF THE THREE MIXES FOR THE THREE WAY SWITCH..
Sorry for the silly question i just dont get it..
appreciate your advise
Hiya
1) If you go to the channel you want to use in the mixer page, then press menu you will go into the mix page. Where it says SOURCE USE + / - to change it to HALF
2. I have it set as :
CH1 100% AIL
CH2 100% ELE
CH3 100% THR
CH4 100% RUD
CH5 125% AIL ( This means the aileron switch next to the 3 position switch will switch stabilization on and off )
CH6 125% FULL ID1
+- 125% HALF ID2
+- 125% HALF ID0
This is for flight modes on 3 position switch giving full up is RC, middle is CIRCLE, bottom is RTH
Then you could have CH7 100% FULL GEAR for OSD display switch over.
Quote from: Coyote on December 28, 2012, 06:11:52 PM
Hiya
1) If you go to the channel you want to use in the mixer page, then press menu you will go into the mix page. Where it says SOURCE USE + / - to change it to HALF
2. I have it set as :
CH1 100% AIL
CH2 100% ELE
CH3 100% THR
CH4 100% RUD
CH5 125% AIL ( This means the aileron switch next to the 3 position switch will switch stabilization on and off )
CH6 125% FULL ID1
+- 125% HALF ID2
+- 125% HALF ID0
This is for flight modes on 3 position switch giving full up is RC, middle is CIRCLE, bottom is RTH
Then you could have CH7 100% FULL GEAR for OSD display switch over.
thanks coyote for the insight...finally just got there by playing around with the values and checking on osd...
it should work now that the modes switch...
funnily i do not have the HALF value instead MAX and FULL...
thanks alot for the advise and insight appreciated
No problem :)
ok here goes the next stumbling block...
I use 2.4ghz flysky 9ch tx and rx...now what happens if i fly beyound range?
how can i set the fy31ap to automatically RTL on loss of tx signal?
with er9x failsafe function is no longer available to keep throttle on 55% as RTL kicks in(not even sure whether it kicks in automatically or has to be configured to do so)
what a mess i am enh?
FY31AP does have some control over the throttle for RTL.
Mine works just fine in failsafe.... total loss of signal from RX to FY31AP. Just failsafe set to engage switch that turns RTL function on. HOWEVER also make sure your failsafe does not cut throttle to 0...
This is from the manual:
a. The FY-31AP has some control over the throttle channel. Therefore, when flying in
Autopilot Modes, please ensure you have enough forward movement to prevent stalling.
b. FY-31AP may have a control over the throttle channel, but the throttle control signal is
base on the stick control signal and will auto adjust according the altitude and speed then
output the combined signal. If your forward movement cannot compensate for the
autopilot's active altitude hold, your aircraft will stall.
c. This is especially important if RTL is part of your RC failsafe. In the event of RC Link lost,
you can set RTL into your Receiver failsafe. However, please DO NOT forget to also set your
throttle failsafe to between 25 % to 50% to ensure the plane does not stall.
d. Never set your throttle failsafe to zero. If you do so, your aircraft will RTL in a continuous
stalled flight which will result in a crash.
Hope that helps.
Simon.
Thanks teamftp..
yes does help..however what happens if i had my throttle directly connected to my rx and not the fy31ap?
from what i understand this failsafe is purely a tx and rx function nothing to do with the fy31ap..
apart from the fact that i would have to incoporate the rtl switch position and throttle on my tx failsafe...
now how to get it done on the flysky 9ch with er9x is the issue..
appreciated ;)
Nope put EVERYTHING through the FY31AP and it will sort itself out. It is a cracking bit of kit once all set up.
As for the Flysky....
Did a quick Google.
Is this any good???
Turnigy 9x how to set up failsafe.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-zqT9Tcd8w#)
If you have your throttle directly from your rx you will need a failsafe setting that activates RTH and has a throttle set to above cruise speed.
@teamftp thanks for the video, had already watched that video..the guy had not tested it yet as it does not respond to the failsafe commands...as coyote correctly said in your failsafe you need abot 60% throttle plus the RTL COMMAND.
I soon realised its an RX function to have failsafe...So i plugged my RMILEC receiver and did as above..tested on the ground and works..havnt had the guts of testing in air though :-[
Thanks for the suggestions and helpful info...Be Blessed teamftp and coyote ;)
Yep fail safe is in the RX. At the end of the day that is the last place the signal is coming from when the TX looses contact.
It does take some balls to turn off when in flight. I did and pure cacked myself when I turned it off. However the fail safe worked fine and the FY31AP brought the Skywalker X8 in to a nice circling orbit above my head... Phew. Oh and came back to full control when I turned back on.
Well yeah it seems worth a try flicking the tx off and checking for function...however the rmilec lrs system takes about 5 secs to establish communication and that can be the difference between life and 1000usd lol..
Today i did my first flight with fy31ap...here is how it went
1.calibrated neutral position on ground and took off with manual
2.once high up flicked ABM and wow.
3.next was ACM and worked wow
4.RTL and was smiling...
THENNNNN!!! while flying on ABM the plane suddenly started pitching down(losing altitude)
this turned into a violent spiral at 3/4 throttle
just managed to flick off the ABM and took manual control and saved the plane barely 50mts from ground :o
now that wasnt a good feeling...
My questions:
Say i am flying at 300mts altitude then i hit the ACM button....
1.Will the plane pitch down? or hold altitude?
2. if it decides to loose altitude,at what rate would it do it?
3. Is there aprogramable altitude for ACM?
4.what happens if i pitch down on ABM mode?
5.has the imbalance got something to do with my elevator travels? i have 15mm up and 15mm down
MAN I AM STARTLED AND WORRIED
1) The plane will try to keep the altitude in all modes. It does not control its own altitude, just tries to keep it level.
2) If it looses altitude it will loose as little as possible.
3) No there is no programmable altitude height
4) Not a lot, your controls should be fairly dull and it will slowly loose height. If however you put it into a dive in ABM the plane will start pitching up and down violently. Never dive with ABM on.
5) If its pitching up and down too much it can be down to you have the gain set too high on your FY31AP or you are trying to dive the plane in ABM mode.
Or you have too much elevator throws.
Or when you set your neutrals in mid air your FY31 was not level so the Autopilots constantly fighting itself because its known level and neutral are totally different.
Hello Coyote,
Well it seems i have a deadly combination of the reasons you stated....
my gains are at 56-60% for elevator...I have high throws on elevator..and i might have tried to dive in ABM mode instinctively(cant remember doing so on purpose)
will further reduce the gains to 40% on elevator, reduce throws to 10mm up and 10mm down and try never to dive with ABM ON...
ONE MORE QUESTION
IS IT ADVISABLE TO USE THE THROTTLE CONTROL FROM THE FY31AP? I HEAR OF ALOT OF ISSUES ON THROTTLE
WHEN CONTROLLED BY FY31AP...DO YOU USE IT?
THANKS FOR THE WISE WORDS MR.COYOTE
No problem :)
The issues with the throttle being used are down to certain ESC brands. If your ESC arms properly and works throughout the throttle range with no glitches then you won`t have any problems with it. The ESC that do have a problem are apparent immediately. The ESC arm sometimes, other not and it glitches the motor on the ground.
One brand of ESC that definitely doesn't play nicely with FY31 is Purple/4 Max
D
@Coyote..thanks
I am currently using hobbyking 60A SBEC rated at 4A.
So i am on the internal BEC supplying my RX and fy31ap..(is it necessary to use external BEC?)
The issue regarding throttle control by fy31ap is in a stall or spin situation where the ground speed
will fall to zero...So the fy31ap will conviniently increase throttle on the spin to compensate for ground speed
ouch that can be bad. any views on that?
Is not necessary to use an external BEC, but you must disconnect the current sensors -ve wire of you have the dreaded ground loop.
If your plane ever enters a stall, no matter which Autopilot used you must disengage it because the Autopilot will make the spin much much worse, they do not understand a spin situation.
Hello Coyote,
Thanks... OK news to me is the dreaded ground loop???.. :o
where is the ground loop?
what does it do?
so i should remove the current sensors -ve wire? how will the current sensor be supplied by ground then?
Wow man i appreciate your input...I would have been dead meat without this forum and members like yourselves Mr.Coyote..Really appreciate
No problem.
If your using an internal Bec then the Bec`s -ve wire is the return for the AP as the AP is linked to the receiver and the receiver to the Bec. Its a lengthy explanation which is well explained here by Ren : FPV-Japan : Ground loops explained (http://fpv-japan.com/technical-info/fpv-uav-system-power-considerations-avoiding-multiple-ground-return-paths/lang/en/)
wow thanks for that Coyote..very very interesting indeed regarding the ground loop...conc stuff.
got the point..
So if I am getting the right then this issue is only applicable to use of internal ESC/BEC?o remove the negetive pin on
in which case i would have the current sensor.
However if I wire an external BEC then i wont need to remove the -ve terminal on the current sensor?
That`s right, if you use an external Bec then disconnect the internal Bec`s -ve wire, that then breaks the ground loop
Noted Coyote
Which would mean that i would only use the signal wire from the the ESC.
As the positive and negetive is now being supplied by the external bec
Thanks for the clarification
Yes that's all you need as the ground would be common at the current sensor