Just doing my homework ... Considering I can't fly an unassisted plane. How hard are wings to fly. Don't get me wrong, I'm not thinking of jumping in for a wing. I'm just curious how hard they are?
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Learn on a Bixler without any fancy FC stuff.. Easiest plane to fly ever.
When you are chilled flying that, move on.
IMHO
Quote from: SnoozeDoggyDog on October 30, 2016, 12:47:46 AM
Considering I can't fly an unassisted plane.
Learn to fly with-out a FC, I spend most of my time flying in manual and only use PA for distance, duration or if I want a brew when flying. You get so much more feed-back from a Z3 Spade/Drake/Z2 and when things do go sidewards you have a better perception of what's wrong, win win.
A well set-up wing is a joy to fly and WILL go where you point it and will carry on going that way till it either stalls or you point it else where ;)
The hardest part is getting the CG right - once you've gotten that done then they handle pretty much the same as a normal plane only usually quite a bit faster.
Whoa easy. Not thinking of getting one! Christ I can't even get an AXN up!
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Wings are 10x harder than a Bix. The Bix will self level where a wing won't, at any distance getting your orientation mixed up is very easy with a wing, it's the same shape upright as it is inverted. It's a bad idea for someone inexperienced.
Quote from: Coyote on October 30, 2016, 05:11:07 AM
Wings are 10x harder than a Bix. The Bix will self level where a wing won't, at any distance getting your orientation mixed up is very easy with a wing, it's the same shape upright as it is inverted. It's a bad idea for someone inexperienced.
This for sure.
I love wings. But you should really master at least 1 normal plane before even attempting a wing.
A wing like a tek sumo makes a great second or third plane IMO.
Wings are just so much faster and orientation so much more difficult. They two combined makes them much harder to fly.
One of the most famous mainstream wings out there, the tbs cap, has caught literally 100s of people out. Being underpowered, and cg issues are two big factors, but the stall characteristics of a wing are far more aggressive and they don't self level. Even the very best set up wing in v low wind will need a slight adjustment or input every 10-20s to keep them level.
Can I say again .... I'm not thinking of getting one!
I don't think they are listening to you Phil :laugh:
Quote from: SnoozeDoggyDog on October 30, 2016, 08:30:23 AM
Can I say again .... I'm not thinking of getting one!
Just nipping it in the bud before a curiosity becomes a reality ;)
Going back to the original question/statement, there are a number of airframes that will help with your learning as a pilot, master a trainer in manual and then move on to a sportier airframe like a mini talon. Staying with the same type of airframe does you no favours, it helps to keep pushing your skill levels along. If at all possible try to fly with an experienced flyier, as you say your not thinking of a wing at the mo but down the road, this is in store.
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on October 30, 2016, 09:47:15 AM
Just nipping it in the bud before a curiosity becomes a reality ;)
Nooooo way BB. I'm literally just finished glueing the axn up. Off out in a short while.
Well watching that video has made me want one. I'm going to go and get one now .... does anyone want the bits when I'm finished with it in about an hour :laugh:
I'm going to get flamed for this but I don't give a toss.
My second plane was a wing. A Flying Wings Falcon Evo.
Stuck a Vector in it and it flew great.
It's only when you want to get a bit more extreme that the Vector starts to limit you. You DO have to turn it off and actually fly it then.
Good luck with the AXN today.
Mark.
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Have a look at the vid again and the bottom of the dive she just starts a speed oscillation, common to all airframes but deadly if you don't see it coming. Bang in the stick time first, cuts down on the bin liners needed lol
Quote from: markwilliams on October 30, 2016, 10:53:10 AMMy second plane was a wing. A Flying Wings Falcon Evo.
Stuck a Vector in it and it flew great.
Mark.
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Mark has a valid point, you can fly by just using a FC and I would recommend this if you haven't got access to an experienced flyier but it does isolate you from the real flying experience and you will need to grasp the nettle at some point. There is no right or wrong way of learning, it's just the easiest way from A to B for you and how deep are your pockets.
For me flying in PA mode is a bit like having a bath with your socks on, you can, but do you really want to lol :goofy:
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For me flying in PA mode is a bit like having a bath with your socks on, you can, but do you really want to lol
That's the best and worst analogy I've ever read. Excellent :laugh: made me laugh.
Get a raven!
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A lot of badly designed wings on the market, they remind me of those nodding dogs people used to have on the rear parcel shelf years ago...Just put it into Stab Mode and watch it nod and occilate in pitch..Some get worse with speed, a lot suffer badly from directional instability, constantly yawing....
A flying wing should have a reflex wing section, but you wont find a single one on the Flying Wings UK site....Not sure why, seeing as they wire cut them...?
Stick with the Bixler while you learn....:)
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Quote from: English Turbines on October 30, 2016, 10:50:01 PM
A lot of badly designed wings on the market, they remind me of those nodding dogs people used to have on the rear parcel shelf years ago...Just put it into Stab Mode and watch it nod and occilate in pitch..Some get worse with speed, a lot suffer badly from directional instability, constantly yawing....
A flying wing should have a reflex wing section, but you wont find a single one on the Flying Wings UK site....Not sure why, seeing as they wire cut them...?
Could you elaborate on this please? :
1) agree on relying on stab mode instead of a well set up wing
2) yawing (same as tail wag?) seems almost a guarantee which is why they almost all have fins or wing tips to stop this?
3) reflex- isn't this usually just Induced by the elevons?
Quote from: Billy_boy_2010 on October 30, 2016, 11:05:16 PM
Could you elaborate on this please? :
1) agree on relying on stab mode instead of a well set up wing
2) yawing (same as tail wag?) seems almost a guarantee which is why they almost all have fins or wing tips to stop this?
3) reflex- isn't this usually just Induced by the elevons?
1) If the wing is designed right, Stab Mode will work just fine...
2).Tip fins help, but wings that wiggle and yaw constantly do so because they have insufficient sweepback..no amount of fin will stop it either.
3) A reflex wing section (as used in a flying wing) looks nothing like those being sold by Flying Wings...(for example) ...Tilting up the elevons does not a reflex wing section make....:)
The type of sections FWs use are more suited to a delta wing than a flying wing.
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The vertical stabs at the wing tips allow the waggle. Not an issue for slope soaring where EPP wings originated not so good for FPV. That's why Ritewing have been sticking them towards the middle to reduce it.
Proper reflex wing sections work better than a Clark Y with forced reflex using the elevons. Would you notice after sticking antennas & cameras out in the airflow, unlikely......
Perhaps the OP should get back to grass roots and get a Zaggi or similar and go sloping. You soon get the hang of flying when you have to walk down a steep hill after each crash to fetch it and that kind wing can take a hell of a hammering.
In fact, if he lives in God's county there is a PMP Hawk here he can have......