Cyclops Storm wants to commit suicide!

[jweaver]

I managed to get a bit more elevator travel by mosing the push rod to another hole on the horn.. So popped out earlier to test...

Got it all setup, but again, when i enabled PA it would bank violently and enter a corkscrew to its its impending doom..

And i decided to just give up... But tonight my mind started to wander. And suddenly i had a brain wave.. What if the Ailerons were reversed...

It couldnt be that simple, could it... So i watched the video again....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qapMW-QNw50

... And it appears to be.. When the plane rolls one way, the ailerons move and continue to push it the same way, rather than correct the roll by going the opposite way.

How could i have overlooked this? I am not 100% sure yet, bu am going to check for sure tomorrow.

Fingers crossed i have found the problem.

[CurryKitten]

And i decided to just give up... But tonight my mind started to wander. And suddenly i had a brain wave.. What if the Ailerons were reversed...

Hmmm, I did suggest that..... twice.  You argued that on the ground doing the test they reacted correctly... did something change ?

Hope that does it, keep us updated.

[jweaver]

Hmmm, I did suggest that..... twice.  You argued that on the ground doing the test they reacted correctly... did something change ?

Hope that does it, keep us updated.

I didnt argue anything. I just completly misunderstood what the reverse options did from the Stom menus.. Becuase the controls worked correctly MANUALLY i assumed they were set correctly. I didnt realise that the options applied to the movements that the Storm made, and not the movements of the Ailerons in general.

I became so pre-occupied by he faxct that the ailerons pushed the plane hard ove on the ground, i completley overlooked that they were moving the wrong way.

So it was a misunderstanding from my side and completly my fault.

[CurryKitten]

Ah, thought you'd tested in PA on the ground.  Apologies, my previous post probably needed a smiley in there - it was just meant to be a light-hearted comment.  Here's two to make up for it :) :)

[jweaver]

Ah, thought you'd tested in PA on the ground.  Apologies, my previous post probably needed a smiley in there - it was just meant to be a light-hearted comment.  Here's two to make up for it :) :)

I did.. And posted a video.. And I just didn't spot that the ailerons were moving the wrong way.. As I said, this was a completely misunderstanding of how it worked.. I assumed that when you move the sticks on the TX, they go into the Storm and then the Storm controls the servos.. So I assumed that because they were working the correct way in manual mode, they would be the same in PA.

BUt at 2am this morning, just as I was cleaning my teeth the penny dropped and it dawned on me what was wrong...

I really want to get out now to test.. And the weather is PERFECT, but I am at work and it will have to wait.. And this evening.. Its windy.. And tomorrow.. And the next.. And the next.. etc etc etc.. So I don't know now when I will be able to test.

I am just glad that no harm was done (other than a few pairs of paints)... Every time it went out of control I was able to recover it.. But this was more luck that judgement I fear.

Thanks to everyone for their help.. EVen having a place to write this has helped me understand this and work it out...

Jon

[Jake Bullit]

Were you reading RCG at the same as cleaning your teeth?

;) :) :) :) :) :)

[jweaver]

Were you reading RCG at the same as cleaning your teeth?

;) :) :) :) :) :)

:) Almost...

[_tj_]

Lol,

It's no wonder it is doing a death spiral.
That was the only possible answer to it.

But as CK mentioned it, and you said it was correct.
No one would put it again, until you had your brainwave lol.

Now reverse it, set gyro level, trim flight, land, centre trims in osd menu.
Launch and enjoy :D :D :D

[jweaver]

Lol,

It's no wonder it is doing a death spiral.
That was the only possible answer to it.

But as CK mentioned it, and you said it was correct.
No one would put it again, until you had your brainwave lol.

Now reverse it, set gyro level, trim flight, land, centre trims in osd menu.
Launch and enjoy :D :D :D

Indeed.. It explains everything... And as I said, completely my fault..

Looking forwards to trying it out.. But just need a wind free day now and looking at the forecast, this a way off!

[FPVSteve]

Sadly this isn't my issue - although I did have slightly better results late last night by faffing with the gains and giving more up-trim. I'm about to undo that all by simply shifting the battery back and setting the elevator trim neutral because I'm not comfortable with it needing loads of up-trim to fly level ... problem is, it balances right on the bloody wing spars so it SHOULD be correct,

I'm wondering out loud... maybe it's worthwhile slightly tilting the Storm OSD so that what it thinks is level is in fact slightly nose up...

[English Turbines]

Ah, banking right....so, lets correct that with a bit more right....oh no, more needed...add right...Ahhhhhhhh....lol.

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[jweaver]

Ah, banking right....so, lets correct that with a bit more right....oh no, more needed...add right...Ahhhhhhhh....lol.

:vulture:

:) Why do you think I soiled myself?.. Last was particularly bad.. I took the advice of "leave it in PA to visualize what its doing".. So I got up a bit hight.. Flicked the switch.. And it turned.. Then dived.. Then corkscrewed.. I thought to myself, leave it.. Leave it.. .LEAVE IT.. ANd then bottled it, as it was nose in, heading towards the ground at a huge rate of knots.

[English Turbines]

:) Why do you think I soiled myself?.. Last was particularly bad.. I took the advice of "leave it in PA to visualize what its doing".. So I got up a bit hight.. Flicked the switch.. And it turned.. Then dived.. Then corkscrewed.. I thought to myself, leave it.. Leave it.. .LEAVE IT.. ANd then bottled it, as it was nose in, heading towards the ground at a huge rate of knots.

Lol...its never going to get better though is it?...lol....We have all done it though, I have an excuse now though, Im older, thats what I tell people now...lol.

:vulture:

[jweaver]

Unfortunately, I have a track record of this.. After getting over-confident when I started flying, I got a new Plane (Radian) and did all my pre-flight checks.. Bar one.. I didn't check the Servo direction.. It was an RTF so why would they be wrong?.

Launched it.. Found the Elevators AND Ailerons reversed... So panicked and did an emergency landing.. Saw the river coming up fast so dumped it in a tree.

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To this day I don't know why I didn't get some altitude and then "learn" to fly it reversed just so that I could land it safely.. I have even read of a technique of turning the TX upside down to cope with this... But foolishly I decided to abort and paid the price.

Luckily there was little damage to the plane.. But I was in shreds as the tree was had 4" thorns on it.. Not a day I am likely to forget..

[English Turbines]

I feel your pain...3 words...Pre...flight...check.

Nice foliage BTW...:)....lol.

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