CurryKitten's Mini Talon build

[CurryKitten]

Some other commitments meant my Talon has been sitting in the corner doing nothing for a while, but tonight I went back and sorted out a canopy.  I based it on jt's excellent design on thingiverse here http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1624284 But I decided I wanted things with a lower profile, so decided I'd dig out some nose foam and get the pan servo lower.  I sorted myself out a platform to hold the Q6 and my flight cam



The raised circular bit gets the round servo horn stuck into it and then I can remove it from the servo using the screw as per normal (which is why there's a small hole through it)

When all put together, it looks like this -



Thank goodness I've used black on top of more black, I'd hate anyone to actually be able to see it :)



All seems to work quite nicely.  I'm aiming to do a bit every night now, as I feel I have a wide open space for a plane that will stay up for a while (but not be pathetically weak in the wind... I'm looking at you Bixler 2!)

[English Turbines]

Looking good Mr K....Just read your earlier post about the 4S 5200 Lipo....Last nite I ordered two of them from HK...For my X6....and the MT.
  £16 each....seems like a bit of a steal.....Debating if to get another Storm AP....I cant be arsed with the Naze etc...it just seems like too much hassle.....In fact the old Arduplane 2.6 looks a lot simpler to me, and a more refined complete package.. even if it is a bit big, it would still go in the MT....
  Did you go with the Vector then...?

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[Loopdreams]

Nice, I'm looking at doing something similar for a pan setup with mine, although I don't have a fancy-pants 3D printer so it'll just be cobbled together from whatever bits I have lying around.

[CurryKitten]

Yep, the vector is sitting on the box ready to go in.... wait a sec.  See, there it is in the "Talon bits corner"



The Naze would just give you basic stab mode wouldn't it, no AP functions as yet ?  Certainly the Storm is an easier all in one package, or though I would probably get the Tornado over the Storm these days (especially for a Talon, as the Storm doesn't do v-tail).  I think Ardu is pretty good, but the OSD configuration is fairly hateful IMO

Looking good Mr K....Just read your earlier post about the 4S 5200 Lipo....Last nite I ordered two of them from HK...For my X6....and the MT.
  £16 each....seems like a bit of a steal.....Debating if to get another Storm AP....I cant be arsed with the Naze etc...it just seems like too much hassle.....In fact the old Arduplane 2.6 looks a lot simpler to me, and a more refined complete package.. even if it is a bit big, it would still go in the MT....
  Did you go with the Vector then...?

:vulture:

[CurryKitten]

Nice, I'm looking at doing something similar for a pan setup with mine, although I don't have a fancy-pants 3D printer so it'll just be cobbled together from whatever bits I have lying around.

Well, easy replication using the enclosed canopy and a piece of wood (or something) stuck to the servo.  Half the reason I 3d print, is that I can't cut a piece of wood in a straight line.  I'm just solving lack of skill with tech :)

[English Turbines]

Point taken about the Tornado, although, Im not a lover of Tailerons tbh...
  The MT has a very short Tail moment, so Im not sure how useful Tailerons will be in the turns compared to bank and yank..?
  I thought the Minim OSD was rather good myself, after all you can have any many features anywhere as much or as little as you like cant you..?
  I seem to recall you doing a Clip about it once, the Minim I mean..I think the APM is very capable after watching Bill Hallys channel...?

:vulture:

[CurryKitten]

I love the MicroMinim OSD, but the regular one is just weird.  You seem to need to give it both a 5v and 12v power supply if you want to upload a font to it, and then I've had terrible problem (in the copter version) just to get the sodding ardu talking to it... which has made me hate it.  Don't forget the minim itself is a pure osd, it gets information from the ardu and display it.... if that info isn't forthcoming it sits there and does nothing.  Yep - you can configure the OSD layout(s) via a GUI, so that's all good... in fact you can fill the screen like some sort of early 90's spreadsheet if you so desire !

Ardu on plane has got at least quite a different codebase, so they at least will probably talk to each other without an issue.  I do maintain it's for someone who's into fiddling around with the settings more than the all in one simple package of the storm/tornado/vector etc

Point taken about the Tornado, although, Im not a lover of Tailerons tbh...
  The MT has a very short Tail moment, so Im not sure how useful Tailerons will be in the turns compared to bank and yank..?
  I thought the Minim OSD was rather good myself, after all you can have any many features anywhere as much or as little as you like cant you..?
  I seem to recall you doing a Clip about it once, the Minim I mean..I think the APM is very capable after watching Bill Hallys channel...?

:vulture:

[Loopdreams]

Point taken about the Tornado, although, Im not a lover of Tailerons tbh...
  The MT has a very short Tail moment, so Im not sure how useful Tailerons will be in the turns compared to bank and yank..?
  I thought the Minim OSD was rather good myself, after all you can have any many features anywhere as much or as little as you like cant you..?
  I seem to recall you doing a Clip about it once, the Minim I mean..I think the APM is very capable after watching Bill Hallys channel...?

:vulture:

To be pedantic it's not tailerons, it's just a v-tail setup or ruddervators to give it the portmanteau term.  Tailerons are what you sometimes get on jets with all-flying tailplane so the tailplane halves move together for pitch and opposite to each other for roll.

But I agree that you could just y-lead the two servos at the back so they only function as an elevator and dispense with yaw control altogether.

[English Turbines]

To be pedantic it's not tailerons, it's just a v-tail setup or ruddervators to give it the portmanteau term.  Tailerons are what you sometimes get on jets with all-flying tailplane so the tailplane halves move together for pitch and opposite to each other for roll.

But I agree that you could just y-lead the two servos at the back so they only function as an elevator and dispense with yaw control altogether.

Agreed, in fact all flying tail surfaces "Tailerons" are more effective than "Ruddervators"....They both do exactly the same thing though.....If I fly mine with the Storm I will have to Y lead the two elevator servos anyway...
  So, if you just bang in full left "Rudder" on your Mini Talon...what happens...?...without touching the Ailerons of course..?

:vulture:

[English Turbines]

I love the MicroMinim OSD, but the regular one is just weird.  You seem to need to give it both a 5v and 12v power supply if you want to upload a font to it, and then I've had terrible problem (in the copter version) just to get the sodding ardu talking to it... which has made me hate it.  Don't forget the minim itself is a pure osd, it gets information from the ardu and display it.... if that info isn't forthcoming it sits there and does nothing.  Yep - you can configure the OSD layout(s) via a GUI, so that's all good... in fact you can fill the screen like some sort of early 90's spreadsheet if you so desire !

Ardu on plane has got at least quite a different codebase, so they at least will probably talk to each other without an issue.  I do maintain it's for someone who's into fiddling around with the settings more than the all in one simple package of the storm/tornado/vector etc

Glad you told me about that Minim quirk...although Im easily led by Bill Hallys sucess by the APM 2.6, Im also aware that hes forgotten more about it than Im ever going to know for sure...lol..
  Do you have a wiring diagram for the Microminim, showing the Camera and vtx connections etc..?

:vulture:

[Loopdreams]

Agreed, in fact all flying tail surfaces "Tailerons" are more effective than "Ruddervators"....They both do exactly the same thing though.....If I fly mine with the Storm I will have to Y lead the two elevator servos anyway...
  So, if you just bang in full left "Rudder" on your Mini Talon...what happens...?...without touching the Ailerons of course..?

:vulture:

I've not built the mini-talon yet.  But to be honest when I've had v-tail gliders before I've found little practical difference between that setup and the usual tailplane and fin arrangement.  Most planes have some yaw-roll coupling regardless of the tail design.  Not sure why they would have chosen the v-tail design for the talon, perhaps the short moment might cause some issues with the tailplane being so close to the wing.

[FPVSteve]

Agreed, in fact all flying tail surfaces "Tailerons" are more effective than "Ruddervators"....They both do exactly the same thing though.....If I fly mine with the Storm I will have to Y lead the two elevator servos anyway...
  So, if you just bang in full left "Rudder" on your Mini Talon...what happens...?...without touching the Ailerons of course..?

:vulture:

I highly recommend keeping the rudder functionality on the Talon - as you know I'm using the T1000FC which doesn't control the rudder, so in stabilisation mode it can take a little while for the plane to come around in high winds using only roll.

Once I stab in a bit of rudder though she turns on a sixpence.

I can also do "flat" turns as well because the aileron gyro counteracts any roll when the rudder is being used by itself.

[mutley2]

The V-tail keeps the control surfaces out of the dirt and they work really well, if you want duration then the Multistar 8000mAh 4s 10c are the way to go. Mine has loads of power and pan & tilt but will still fly for an hour at 1700grams flying weight.

[Jake Bullit]

I tried to use two different makes of vtail mixers on mine,neither would play nicely with my Storm,lots of jittering.
So I ended up just using elevator by flipping one of the servos,and it seems to fly well enough with just ailerons and elevator.

[English Turbines]

I highly recommend keeping the rudder functionality on the Talon - as you know I'm using the T1000FC which doesn't control the rudder, so in stabilisation mode it can take a little while for the plane to come around in high winds using only roll.

Once I stab in a bit of rudder though she turns on a sixpence.

I can also do "flat" turns as well because the aileron gyro counteracts any roll when the rudder is being used by itself.

Hi Steve.....That's good to hear Steve, flat turns with the aileron giro keeping things level...cool...How did you feed your Rudder and Elevator controls through the T1000 then?....As far as Im aware, the T1000 doesnt work the Rudder at all, even though it appears to have a giro pot...?
   
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