Does anyone think the EU directive on radio control 2.4ghz transmitters which came in to force last year, will still
stand in the event of the UK leaving the EU which im in favour of by the way.
I would imagine any EU mandated rules/regs would stand up until our own UK versions are promulgated.... and that goes with pretty much anything EU regulated.
The only reason anyone would want to stay in the EU is because it looks like too much hard work to make any changes... people are lazy, thats the underlying reason behind wanting to stay in.
That last statement is not true at all. Youre opinion maybe, but not true.
It seems to me that the entire case for staying in the EU revolves around money and the economy.
On the basis that there is more to life than money, I am voting out. I look forward to the day the UK closes its borders and only lets people in who are going to improve society as a whole, and we get to preserve our sovereign identity.
Considering the government can't predict the finances even 3 months ahead let alone the 5 year horror they're banging on about, I'm not worried. I hope we leave.
We'll be fine.
Quote from: jono44 on May 25, 2016, 12:38:42 PM
Does anyone think the EU directive on radio control 2.4ghz transmitters which came in to force last year, will still
stand in the event of the UK leaving the EU which im in favour of by the way.
Do you mean EN 300 328:V1.9.1?
Does this EU meddling mean they have banned DSM2 as on the original Spektrum radio?....I mean, if you buy a brand new Spectrum radio now, it's only DSMX, not both?
I know my old DX7 running on DSM2 using the ORIGINAL genuine receivers will quite happily tolerate a 1.2G Video transmitter right next to it, no problem at all.....My Taranis won't though, no way. even on the old UK firmware. And a number of members in my club have had RF Module failures with lack of range with their new fancy, expensive Spektrum transmitters which run on DSMX only.
If the EU have meddled, it can only be a backward step.....Please.....Vote....OUT.
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I hope everything does go back if we do, the EU harmonised wiring colours are that poorly thought out they are actually dangerous and I would love to go back to Red Yellow Blue :)
Just another advantage of getting out of the EU ( which I'm all for if you can't tell :) )
Quote from: Coyote on May 25, 2016, 04:50:58 PM
I hope everything does go back if we do, the EU harmonised wiring colours are that poorly thought out they are actually dangerous and I would love to go back to Red Yellow Blue :)
Just another advantage of getting out of the EU ( which I'm all for if you can't tell :) )
You must be referring to 3 phase wiring Coyote.
Quote from: Steve W on May 25, 2016, 02:37:50 PM
It seems to me that the entire case for staying in the EU revolves around money and the economy.
That is mostly it imo. Add a few people that are scared of the unknown and a few nut jobs.
Quote from: electrotor on May 25, 2016, 05:04:44 PM
You must be referring to 3 phase wiring Coyote.
I am indeed. The EU colours were just stupid. No useful use behind them, they didn't consider that the colours are that close that when covered in crap they can look the same as each other.
just googled them, "let's just swap neutral colour for a live colour", what could possibly go wrong! FFS.
Anyone who's not so sure about getting out look here and watch the movie - https://www.brexitthemovie.com/ (https://www.brexitthemovie.com/)
Quote from: Ynot6 on May 25, 2016, 06:09:57 PM
just googled them, "let's just swap neutral colour for a live colour", what could possibly go wrong! FFS.
This was a lot of fun when I was putting new lights and a trip box in my garage when I moved in. It hasn't burned down yet so looks like tossing a coin worked :D
I'm on the fence. Not sure how I will vote yet.
I think the EU can be an excellent force of good but I also feel like they spend too much time meddling in things which don't need meddling in and that's what has lead us to the situation we are in now where people are fed up.
The last 4 videos I've watched on YouTube have had a Government sponsored ad before them, spouting crap that the average household could be over £4k worse off if we leave the EU......
Then there's a brief bit of small print that says "in 15 years time".
1) I'm pissed off that the Govt is spending tax payers money to make ads that are biased
2) Of course I care about what will be in 15 years time, but this kind of campaign is just pure scaremongering.
Also, they use the word "could" because they actually have zero f*%$ing idea what will happen, they're just trying to scare the public into a snap reaction.
It makes you wonder why the "Big wigs" are so desperate for us to stay in.... I think it's them who stand to lose things, probably more than we know.
Most people will agree that the EU governance has flaws - to such an amount that:-
- The people wanting to stay in believe that it is better to stay in and achieve change from within.
- The people wanting to leave believe the changes needed will only be achieved by leaving and therefore having our own control of cocking up our future, rather than letting unaccountable EU civil servants do it.
Me - I do get to occasionally meet my MP and tell him what his party is doing wrong (IMO). I have never seen anything publicised locally re 'Meet your EMP', so have never had an easy chance to waste my breath talking to him / or her.
PS
Can anyone tell me 'exactly' what 'out' means? Is it just out of the European Parliament or also out of European High Court control ? or also out of Free Trade alliances.
Staying in means (this is easy) - ever increasing centralised control of politics, defence, trade, regulation, currency. This is what the European Parliament and civil service want. Make no mistake - All politicians, parties and civil servants desire above all else - more power. More power = more importance = more grandeur, more status, more money, more influence. Politics as always been based on this.
Personally, I'm hoping that VATMOSS becomes a thing of the past. It's ridiculous.
When you step into the voting booth, stop and consider for a moment how they just swatted Call me Dave away with his pathetic so called "Reforms"....It was all a prearranged play act anyway..
.We are powerless within the EU, they will draw us ever further in and by 2020 force the Euro upon us along with a load of other crap none of us want.
Im retired, so its not going to affect me a great deal, but if I was in my 30s, I would be very worried about staying IN.....Im worried for my Grandkids.....VOTE....OUT.
Democracy demands that the people have the ability to remove the people who govern them.
As part of the EU we the people do not have that ability.
We need to be our own country, yes it will take a lot of hard work at first but it will benefit our country in the long term
We could always adopt the French approach - stay in the EU but do your own thing anyway. Then when anyone questions this approach, simply shrug your shoulders. Works for them. :P
Cameron was already lobbying big business leaders 11 weeks before his useless re-negotiations with the EU to speak out about a possible Brexit. It's one big con, It doesn't matter how old you are as when TTIP becomes a reality it will effect everyone's lives hence why he phoned up obama to ramp up the project fear rhetoric. Kiss your NHS goodbye as we know it.
Quote from: BlueFlyer on May 25, 2016, 11:35:11 PM
Democracy demands that the people have the ability to remove the people who govern them.
As part of the EU we the people do not have that ability.
We need to be our own country, yes it will take a lot of hard work at first but it will benefit our country in the long term
Agreed, I just dont get how people in this country are seemingly oblivious to how little power we have over important issues which will have great impact on every aspect of our lives. As we type, some liberal idiot is busy writing even more crap into the ECHR nonsense to provide even more protection for Pond Life such as the Albanian MURDERER we have housed in a new 4 bed house with all benefits and his girlfriend is with him...a prosthetic leg and even DLA...!!!..2K a month they are costing us....PLUS Legal Aid to fight deportation.....He's a Murderer FFS...AND hes an Illegal who lied telling the authorities he was from Kosovo....We can't deport him because they might put him in an unsuitable Jail in Albania....Came here in a Van through Calais, they still dont search every vehicle.....Rant over....I need to check my BP....:(
Apologies if its off topic...
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Here's a great video on the EU con job, best youtube video that will enlighten you about the European project.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EokwQi15pO0&list=WL&index=25#)
Funny thing about politics is everyone is an expert in it. :laugh:
Quote from: jono44 on May 25, 2016, 11:56:23 PM
Here's a great video on the EU con job, best youtube video that will enlighten you about the European project.
Spot on ... :flagUJ: "power without accountability"
https://www.brexitthemovie.com/ (https://www.brexitthemovie.com/)
I've just spent 3 days going through the new EU directives on ROHS REACH and the new EU regulations for weighing equipment.
It's an absolute joke I can tell ya! I'm 100% out on this matter because I don't believe in job creation for 'fat cats' and I want our border protection to be BORDER PROTECTION.
Bring back LB and not KG, Inches and not MM and who gives a monkey's how far a KM is in miles? Thank God that we never adopted the Euro and...... WHERE IS MY REMOTE CONTROL FOR THE TV.
Sorry, got side-tracked there :D
If you are like me and happen to,live near an area that is swamped with people from countries with standards of education, security, health, social awareness, morality, family planning, criminality, much lower than the UK.
Next to People who come to this country for what they can get out of it short and long term and realise that the UK system is a soft touch compared to previous Eastern Block countries they are leaving, but are prepared to send money back to so they can return and build houses etc.
Who have children and grandchildren in local schools where 50 plus languages are spoken.
Who go to the local A&E and feel as if they are in a foreign country.
Who's aged relatives have their life savings removed so they can have safe care at the end of their lives, whilst we as a country are forced to give free shelter to any odd person who can get here.
These are the people who will vote out.
I don't believe the spin that says we will be worse off than we where after WW1 or 2. Or the Rubbish about business leaving these shores, so what, who needs fat cat bankers or Amazon, etc. Others will come.
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I'm in for the common market the UK voted for...
I really would prefer to be in, but upon as much of a review as can determine with all the real information around I have to say that what being asked to give up is too much...
I'm definitely out now.
Corbyn - sly and carefully not saying much to avoid losing votes.
Cameron - fair enough we know where he stands but his actions to steer people into remaining are just unbelievable.
How many people out there even know who the leaders of the EU are with the real power. I didn't until started looking into it. And since then its clear most our our MP's and leaders don't...
The in campaign is using massive fear tactics to sway the vote - don't fall for it. They know it works. If people are not sure they stick with the devil they know.
Do your research and then decide....
Spot on - I don't blame the immigrants though. I'd do the same....
I'm from a 2nd generation of them.... Not that anyone would know apart from my surname.
Immigration should always be slow enough not to impact or be to the detrimnent of the natives.
Quote from: BigT on May 26, 2016, 09:14:47 AM
If you are like me and happen to,live near an area that is swamped with people from countries with standards of education, security, health, social awareness, morality, family planning, criminality, much lower than the UK.
Next to People who come to this country for what they can get out of it short and long term and realise that the UK system is a soft touch compared to previous Eastern Block countries they are leaving, but are prepared to send money back to so they can return and build houses etc.
Who have children and grandchildren in local schools where 50 plus languages are spoken.
Who go to the local A&E and feel as if they are in a foreign country.
Who's aged relatives have their life savings removed so they can have safe care at the end of their lives, whilst we as a country are forced to give free shelter to any odd person who can get here.
These are the people who will vote out.
I don't believe the spin that says we will be worse off than we where after WW1 or 2. Or the Rubbish about business leaving these shores, so what, who needs fat cat bankers or Amazon, etc. Others will come.
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How can the issue of old folks selling their houses to pay for care be conflated with immigration when immigrants make a net contribution to the economy?
If people are noticing that the welfare state is shrinking then it's because that's what they voted for. Nothing to do with the EU or anything.
I'd say both campaigns are just as fear based. The amount of xenophobic claptrap that has surrounded the leave campaign is staggering.
Like I said - it's more than just to do with the economy.
Quote from: Loopdreams on May 26, 2016, 10:05:41 AM
How can the issue of old folks selling their houses to pay for care be conflated with immigration when immigrants make a net contribution to the economy?
If people are noticing that the welfare state is shrinking then it's because that's what they voted for. Nothing to do with the EU or anything.
I'd say both campaigns are just as fear based. The amount of xenophobic claptrap that has surrounded the leave campaign is staggering.
Finally. ;D
Maybe instead of the scaremongering we should be listing the benefits of staying in, and the benefits of coming out.
Taking the negative route never works properly.
I agree Steve, the trouble is with politicians on both sides, is they will happily twist the truth to suit their agenda. Then the people will choose to believe the lies that suit them.
Then after the fact both sides get spanked with what neither of them wanted.
Quote from: Loopdreams on May 26, 2016, 10:05:41 AM
How can the issue of old folks selling their houses to pay for care be conflated with immigration when immigrants make a net contribution to the economy?
If people are noticing that the welfare state is shrinking then it's because that's what they voted for. Nothing to do with the EU or anything.
I'd say both campaigns are just as fear based. The amount of xenophobic claptrap that has surrounded the leave campaign is staggering.
I think you missed the point entirely....We have an older generation, Having to sell their homes to pay for (Private) care in old age....Meantime, we are quite happy to house, and pay for (some, not all) migrants at huge cost, and even some criminals who should in fact be Deported, not kept in luxury courtesy of the Taxpayer. The other point is, some migrants work cash in hand, claim Working Tax Credits etc...and send money out the country back home....It all rather depends where you look....That older generation didn't get jack all if they fell on hard times....Then Labour came along and dreamt up every type of Benefit they could think of, including the obscene "Working Tax Credits", where the Taxpayer subsidises peoples wages, the big Corporations love that one....the idiots.
The same big Corporations Labour love to hate I might add....
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2 topics I try to avoid...... Religion and politics.
This has now got both of them!
I was in the balance about 'Brexit' and listened carefully to the pros and cons but, after the government sent me a letter telling me that we should stay in, I'm now out.
I paid for that letter. How dare they spend MY tax money on telling me what I should do!
European Parliament is just the same as our Government, full of fat-cat dictators who always think of their own pockets and how they want the country to be, not the good of the poor citizens that pay their wages. We did fine when we weren't part of the EU, albeit we did struggle after fighting 2 world wars but we pulled together and bounced back.... we're British, it's what British people do best!
Rant over.... I'll crawl back in my cupboard now and unsubscribe to this thread. I bet the OP didn't expect this to happen :)
Quote from: Vortecks on May 26, 2016, 06:47:00 PM
2 topics I try to avoid...... Religion and politics.
This has now got both of them!
religion hasn't been mentioned at all in this thread?
What would Hitler do?
Quote from: Steve W on May 26, 2016, 08:06:40 PM
What would Hitler do?
Well Steve....He would have a lot of cleaning up to do.....Followed by a nice shower.
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The irony is regarding Hitler is industrialists and banks funded the nazi party. The same banks and large corps lobby the EU. More harmonisation and political union in the future is no good for anyone. No one voted for a political union setting some of our laws and reducing the RF power of my Taranis.
The agenda and outcome is already set. The democratic vote is just to give you a warm feeling you had a say in the matter ;D
Quote from: Gundummy on May 26, 2016, 09:44:12 PM
The agenda and outcome is already set. The democratic vote is just to give you a warm feeling you had a say in the matter ;D
I think this is probably the most accurate post in the thread. There's not a damn thing we can do about it - too late. So I blame the people who voted in the 70s - thanks for :censored: things up for my kids :)
Quote from: Gundummy on May 26, 2016, 09:44:12 PM
The agenda and outcome is already set. The democratic vote is just to give you a warm feeling you had a say in the matter ;D
"already set" - even if a majority vote to leave ???
Quote from: Steve W on May 26, 2016, 10:29:55 PM
I think this is probably the most accurate post in the thread. There's not a damn thing we can do about it - too late. So I blame the people who voted in the 70s - thanks for :censored: things up for my kids :)
People voted for an economic union not a political one, they were lied to like you're being lied to now.
Quote from: jono44 on May 26, 2016, 09:16:45 PM
The irony is regarding Hitler is industrialists and banks funded the nazi party. The same banks and large corps lobby the EU. More harmonisation and political union in the future is no good for anyone. No one voted for a political union setting some of our laws and reducing the RF power of my Taranis.
Vote....REMAIN....So you can Fail Safe at only 800mtrs out.....:)
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If that's the case Jono then there's no excuses if we stay in. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.
I just think that with all the plans, procedures, jobs etc being in the EU now has in its favour, they're not just simply going to cut the umbilical cord and see us drift away. It's too far gone. I will however, make sure my vote gets taken into account.
Quote from: Gundummy on May 26, 2016, 09:44:12 PM
The agenda and outcome is already set. The democratic vote is just to give you a warm feeling you had a say in the matter ;D
Exactly!
If you look at the attached, you'll see that (in this example) 91% are in favour of leaving.
Source: http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/667147/Brexit-EU-referendum-vote-rigging-electoral-fraud-local-elections-UKIP-London-Mayor (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/667147/Brexit-EU-referendum-vote-rigging-electoral-fraud-local-elections-UKIP-London-Mayor)
91% of express readers. If you're saying that the vote count is going to be rigged then you're into full on nut job conspiracy tin foil hat territory.
Quote from: Steve W on May 26, 2016, 08:06:40 PM
What would Hitler do?
This
https://youtu.be/b4ucTClJJwA
Or
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eHR8Lj3wb-o&feature=youtu.be
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My local paper, which has a circulation of 55,000, had an on line in out survey which gave 67% out.
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Quote from: Steve W on May 26, 2016, 10:29:55 PM
I think this is probably the most accurate post in the thread. There's not a damn thing we can do about it - too late. So I blame the people who voted in the 70s - thanks for :censored: things up for my kids :)
I was one of those people who voted in the 70's and I voted no. However if memory serves there was no mention of all these other countries becoming 1 nation. It was sold to the UK as the EEC or Common Market, not losing our sovereignty. I can remember getting a lecture on the importance of the country remaining independent, the commonwealth, Magna Carter, and what makes GB great, from my father, who saw action in WW2. I believe the in vote then was 52% and the out was 47% with a low turnout of 42%.
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Question Every Nation Needs to Ask
Let's for a moment presume the US, Mexico, Canada, Honduras, Guatemala were in an "Amero Agreement" with each country having equal say.
Here's the revised question "Do you want the Mexico, Honduras, and Guatemala, even without the approval of US Congress, to be able to prescribe the mandatory resettlement of non-US citizens in the US?"
That is exactly what's happening in Europe.
The US would never cede foreign policy to Mexico and Honduras, so why should the UK, Hungary, or Poland cede policy to a group of other nations?
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Quote from: Steve W on May 26, 2016, 08:06:40 PM
What would Hitler do?
Invade the Sudetenland
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Quote from: BigT on May 27, 2016, 10:23:36 AM
My local paper, which has a circulation of 55,000, had an on line in out survey which gave 67% out.
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If you're feeling confident then get down the bookies. Last I looked it was about 80% odds on remain. Not that the bookies are always right but I think they have probably called it this time. I don't see the public at large voting for an isolationist movement backed by utter fruitcakes like Boris and UKIP and with no actual clear plans about a whole raft of issues. We'll soon see but at those odds I might even stick a few tenners on leave myself even though I'll be voting the other way.
My main fear is that too many people will simply NOT vote at all, either because they don't understand the gravity of the situation or are too ignorant to give a 5h1t.
I've had to sit my wife down and explain why I will be voting to leave, else she wasn't going to bother herself the trip down to the polling station.
I think far too much of the campaigning on the STAY side is aimed at the financial side of things... they know people get touchy when it comes to money.
I also hate that when a LEAVE person argues the case for border control etc, they get branded as xenophobic or even racist. But the clue is in the title... border CONTROL, not border CLOSURE. This country should be able to construct their own list of eligibility criteria, not have it forced upon the country.
Quote from: jono44 on May 25, 2016, 12:38:42 PM
Does anyone think the EU directive on radio control 2.4ghz transmitters which came in to force last year, will still
stand in the event of the UK leaving the EU which im in favour of by the way.
The long forgotten question.
See what you've been responsible for jono44. It was that last little bit, not about Radio Equipment/2.4Ghz 35Mhz, but about an imminent referendum that opened the floodgates.
Ma heid's nippin'. :-\
I agree with you BlueFlyer... there are many who think "it's a load of bull" but they'll be first to complain when they're impacted by things that they failed to vote against. Sadly this is a British trait where it is seen as camaraderie between people who can't even wire a plug or use a computer mouse. "oh i'm so dumb, ha ha" "ha ha, me too" ... Erm actually maybe we should vote to stay in :o :laugh:
No Eu legislation or EU directives wont change until the Government invoke article 50 in the event of a Brexit which can be implemented anytime up to 2 years after a vote. But whats to say in staying in that new EU directives will start to effect the Hobby in this country and even over ride our own CAA etc. You can't vote out any EU commissioners because its not democratic.
As a side note if you want to vote on the EU you need to register by June 7th Lots of people don't know that.
My card has already come through the door - I'll be at the village hall at 7am on the dot :)
I dont understand how anyone who truly believes in Democracy, can Vote to Remain shackled to the EU...???
How many times do we need to have it proven that ours is ONE voice of some 28 Countries?....and that these EU Commissioners are NOT voted IN or can be voted OUT.....They are answerable to nobody.
Cameron Et Al love being in the EU, It's like a Politician's wet dream for them, answerable to nobody, they can just blame the EU if the UK gets another sh*tty deal...All of the gravy trappings with none of the responsibility...
And when the chips are down, they just ignore us (and other Countries) and do just what they want anyway.....That's Dictatorship in my book, not Democracy....
And if anyone else mentions "Roaming Charges"....Im going to Sqweem.
Im off now for a lie down......:)
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Quote from: BigT on May 27, 2016, 10:37:29 AM
I was one of those people who voted in the 70's and I voted no. However if memory serves there was no mention of all these other countries becoming 1 nation. It was sold to the UK as the EEC or Common Market, not losing our sovereignty. I can remember getting a lecture on the importance of the country remaining independent, the commonwealth, Magna Carter, and what makes GB great, from my father, who saw action in WW2. I believe the in vote then was 52% and the out was 47% with a low turnout of 42%.
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I have just re read my post and I think it needs a bit more explanation:
1975 I was 23, married, mortgaged up to the eyeballs, had to move away from my home town to just be able to afford a small house just finished my 5 year apprenticeship and was desperate to get a better job more money, had a recession due to working a 3 day week in 1972 and 1974 due to the bloody miners strike, 1972 saw 80,000 plus Ugandan Asians expelled by Idi Amin moist of whom pitched up in the UK making social housing non existant, schools overcrowded, NHS underfunded and under pressure (no change there then) and no jobs to be had, then the government wanted us to join up to a political gravy train and allow a lot more foreigners in. Thats why I voted NO.
Does any of the above look vaguely similar to the UK now?
How very racist of you to complain about immigrants. Said every left-wing part of the problem.
Not racist so much as showing a quite deep misunderstanding of how economies function. The NHS is not struggling because it's a finite resource that has "run out" it's simply underfunded, because that is always the first step in every plan to privatise anything ever, make it really bad then sell people an alternative. That people fall for the line that immigrants are draining all the resources is just unfortunate but the facts are that immigration has made a contribution to the available resources, people are the resource that makes money.
Quote from: Loopdreams on May 27, 2016, 08:41:49 PM
Not racist so much as showing a quite deep misunderstanding of how economies function. The NHS is not struggling because it's a finite resource that has "run out" it's simply underfunded, because that is always the first step in every plan to privatise anything ever, make it really bad then sell people an alternative. That people fall for the line that immigrants are draining all the resources is just unfortunate but the facts are that immigration has made a contribution to the available resources, people are the resource that makes money.
Yes migrants do add to the economy in the correct numbers but we have uncontrolled migration that is putting a strain on public services and crime rates have increased due to unregulated migration, 14% of the prison population are foreign nationals, that's just crazy. Too much migration and erosion of democracy changes a country to were right wing parties gain support because of lack of democratic governance, you see this happening all over Europe.
What we should be doing is having a sensible immigration plan that gets people in where they are needed as well as allowing in the best and brightest people from around the world to come and settle here because it's those people who will bring in the tax money, those people who generally won't shit out 15 kids and those people who make a valuable contribution to the country.
What we have now is unlimited EU migration with no say on who comes, no surprise we have a bunch of bums from Romania crammed into one bed flats scraping a living paying :censored: all tax and taking up valuable resources. A friend of mine is a teacher at the local school and she said they have more foreign kids than British, so much that she has half the class chattering away in their own tongues. She recons the standard of the classes has dropped massively because she just can't teach at the same pace.
And yet we have locked down non-Eu migration so much that we are turning down people who we should be welcoming with open arms.
I actually married a johnny foreigner and have some understanding of just how strange the system is. My wife was sent to boarding school in the UK at the age of 8 and spent 14 years in education here, ended up with two degrees, and a master and went onto study medicine (paid for out of her own pocket) but she still wasn't allowed any kind of permanent status and faced being deported. Given that she was more British at this point than anything else it felt like a slap in the face. The NHS is importing thousands of doctors from places like Nigeria yet quite happy to send home students who have trained here in the UK which just doesn't make sense to me. The last doctor I spoke to could barely string a sentence together it was a disgrace.
Some might not agree that you should be given preferential treatment for studying here etc... but we are letting in asylum seekers, gypsie bums, absolute wastes and drains on society who shit out vast numbers of kids. Yet we turn away people who actually contribute much more than they take out. Economic madness if you ask me.
It's not madness though if you look at it from the beneficiaries point of view.
We, the public, are firmly in our place - no way out, dead end jobs, depression kicking in, no way to improve our situation in 99% of cases. The elite get richer, have more control over everything and victimise any of the 'normals' who speak up about it.
Meanwhile the public are given the ability to buy little tokens of happiness - a nice TV, credit to buy nice stuff (and get into more debt) thus perpetuating their continual spiral into nothing. Appeasement.
We've let this happen by not holding our politicians accountable. Nowadays all we do is moan on the internet or set up stupid :censored: facebook polls which have zero impact but give us the fuzzy feeling that we're doing something about it.
What we actually need is protests. Mass protests at the absolute lack of accountability in parliament. Harrassment of MPs until they do what they're supposed to be doing - serving the public.
George Orwell was right:
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So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.
Sound familiar?
Agree completely with Dogzilla.....The Politicos like Cameron et al, love being in their beloved EU....Being governed centrally by Brussels suits them, riding the EU gravy train with effectively a get out clause for everything bad....."We cant do anything about it, its EU rules"...We need points based Borders so badly, its so obvious to me....We need contributors, not shelf stackers and car washers...Not saying they all are BTW.....Its called BORDER CONTROL.....Lost on Cameron and Labour are just plain stupid, as usual.
Off for another lie down....EU rant over...
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It would take nothing to set up either - it's already in place, just not for EU workers.
https://www.points.homeoffice.gov.uk/gui-migrant-jsf/SelfAssessment/SelfAssessment.faces;jsessionid=F9AEDCC731F729B92AF7996FC6C5B45C (https://www.points.homeoffice.gov.uk/gui-migrant-jsf/SelfAssessment/SelfAssessment.faces;jsessionid=F9AEDCC731F729B92AF7996FC6C5B45C)
lol, makes you feel good doesn't it.
Quote from: Steve W on May 28, 2016, 10:11:21 AM
It would take nothing to set up either - it's already in place, just not for EU workers.
https://www.points.homeoffice.gov.uk/gui-migrant-jsf/SelfAssessment/SelfAssessment.faces;jsessionid=F9AEDCC731F729B92AF7996FC6C5B45C (https://www.points.homeoffice.gov.uk/gui-migrant-jsf/SelfAssessment/SelfAssessment.faces;jsessionid=F9AEDCC731F729B92AF7996FC6C5B45C)
lol, makes you feel good doesn't it.
LOL....So right Steve....The one for EU Migrants should read something like....:
1) Are you a shelf stacker or car washer?
2) Will you be working cash in hand only?
3) Will you be earning enough to pay Income Tax?..
4) How much "Working Tax Credits" would you like...?
5) Can we help you in sending your Sterling out of our country..?
6) How many kids would you like to claim for (including fake ones please)..?
7) We wont be checking on point 6, so please feel free.
8) Do you specialise in Lead or Copper removal?
9) Would you like to bring all your kids over, thereby guaranteeing a Council House?
10) Years of not having any dental treatment will be corrected FOC for you, but you may have to queue behind your mates.
11) If your partner is going to have a complicated birth, please bring her to use our NHS FOC.
12) Its ok to present yourself here, even if you have no money or a job to go to.
13) If you dont have an EU Passport, Turkey can provide one for you.
14) If 13 is not an option, dont worry, they dont search all the vehicles coming through Calais.
15) If you have abandoned your kids at Calais, Jeremy Corbyn will be along to collect them for you.
Ah, that feels much better now....Rant Over....For the time being...
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The thing is - I don't think all immigrants are bad. Put yourselves in their shoes - say it was reversed and you had to drop everything you ever knew + owned, then travel hundreds of miles with your family in tow, a lot of uncertainty ahead.
I don't believe people come here to cause problems, I believe they come here to get a better life for themselves in MOST cases - and who can blame them. It's not their fault we're such soft touches, I mean - if there was a land within a 1000 miles that offered me (instead of my metal shack house in a slum) a nice 2 bed semi, a minimum income and the CHANCE of making a better life for myself no questions asked... I can't say I wouldn't start walking down the road....
We just need to tighten ourselves up a bit and start enforcing our laws instead of pussyfooting around human rights. The laws existed before you came, don't whine when they're applied after you've arrived. I'm looking at you, Muslims and your Sharia shit. Don't want UK law, stay away from the UK. Don't mind it? Come in, make yourselves at home and be a good member of society.
Like someone said above, the NHS is perfectly capable of taking on immigrants - provided it's funded properly. Let's face it, it hasn't worked properly for years (remember the doctors working 90-odd hour shifts a while ago?).
The problems of this nation lie squarely at the feet of politicians and EU bureaucrats. I say we take some control back and attempt to sort things out, immigrants or no bloody immigrants.
VOTE OUT.
Quote from: dogzilla on May 27, 2016, 11:31:22 PM
What we should be doing is having a sensible immigration plan that gets people in where they are needed as well as allowing in the best and brightest people from around the world to come and settle here because it's those people who will bring in the tax money, those people who generally won't shit out 15 kids and those people who make a valuable contribution to the country.
What we have now is unlimited EU migration with no say on who comes, no surprise we have a bunch of bums from Romania crammed into one bed flats scraping a living paying :censored: all tax and taking up valuable resources. A friend of mine is a teacher at the local school and she said they have more foreign kids than British, so much that she has half the class chattering away in their own tongues. She recons the standard of the classes has dropped massively because she just can't teach at the same pace.
And yet we have locked down non-Eu migration so much that we are turning down people who we should be welcoming with open arms.
I actually married a johnny foreigner and have some understanding of just how strange the system is. My wife was sent to boarding school in the UK at the age of 8 and spent 14 years in education here, ended up with two degrees, and a master and went onto study medicine (paid for out of her own pocket) but she still wasn't allowed any kind of permanent status and faced being deported. Given that she was more British at this point than anything else it felt like a slap in the face. The NHS is importing thousands of doctors from places like Nigeria yet quite happy to send home students who have trained here in the UK which just doesn't make sense to me. The last doctor I spoke to could barely string a sentence together it was a disgrace.
Some might not agree that you should be given preferential treatment for studying here etc... but we are letting in asylum seekers, gypsie bums, absolute wastes and drains on society who shit out vast numbers of kids. Yet we turn away people who actually contribute much more than they take out. Economic madness if you ask me.
That was a pleasure to read! Excellent from all aspects, thank you, very succinct.
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for once in my life .... i'll bite my lip on this topic :-X
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