I've really liked the look of these and what they are capable of in a fairly small package. Always been put off by having to order one from China, but to my delight Banggood had them in the UK warehouse for just over £43. Having just had a bit of a heart repair and surviving it(99% blocked left hand side coronary artery that I had no idea about and they told me could of killed me any day!), I thought I deserved a treat(and chips are now a no no lol). I found an online banggood voucher code and bagged one for just under £40 ;D
A quick dry fit of the foam and it all looks good.
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160603_101948_zps2cupdvud.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160603_101948_zps2cupdvud.jpg.html)
I've ordered a sunnysky 2216 1250kv for it, got some mg90s servos and a new runcam pz420h. I'm not really sure as to what lipo to get, I was going for a 6600mAh multistar but the 8000mAh is on offer! Not sure how it will go with the 8000 and haven't ordered one yet. Any suggestions? I want to fly out (eventually) for a good distance with this and have heard that flights of an hour or so are possible.
Good to see another build, it really is a bargain at that price! I saw they were back in the UK, I got mine from China but tempted to order another from the UK as a spare at that price!
My build has stalled, but the wife is out tonight so I plan to get back on it. Bignose13 sent me the stl for a pan mount as well so will get that printing!
In terms of batteries I'm going with 5200 4S multistars. Will carry it with ease and keeps it on the lighter side, I don't plan any massively long range just now with mine! I think the 8000 would be ok. Loads of discussion on the RCGroups thread about it. Some people are running 10,000mah without issue!
What's the best motor for these? Really tempted to get one but I think the missus will kill me if I buy anything else! They look life a reasonable compromise between an efficient but slow plane vs an inefficient acrobatic one.
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People have managed some incredible ranges with mini talons.
They appear to fly fast though. Especially when loaded with battery. And can handle a fairly low kv prop for real efficiency. But they aren't the sort of plane which allows you to really throttle back and explore I suspect.
There are a few ppl on fpvlab who manage 25km one way with one. I would just copy that setup myself!
Mine flys great, and will handle a slower speed.
I use MFD autopilot and 4s zippy compact 5800mah batteries with a 2200mah for video.
They fly like a rocket and cover distance very quickly.
I've 2 mini talons and love them.
I run T-Motor 2216-900KV motor and 10x6 props, my cruise is around 4amps and 40mph.
With a 4S5000mah nanotech lipo i can clock up over 30 miles on a single charge.
Heres a post build video showing my setup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCmYDMppU_M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCmYDMppU_M)
I decided to go for an 8000mAh 4s multistar, mostly because it was on offer at £20 :laugh: if I take the vector out of my MSH I'm ready to build it.... The longest wait will be for the sunnysky 2216 1250kv, that was ordered from Banggood last night.
So the list for it is:
Vector AP
8000mAh 4s Multistar
40A Turnigy ESC
x2216 1250kv sunnysky motor
8x6 apc prop
ez UHF rx
800mW 1.3 vtx
skew(bit big but there you go lol)
runcam pz420h fpv cam
Mobius or Yi(notdecided yet)
mg90s servos
Looking forward to this plane ;D
Does this mean I'll have to build mine now too?
Hey guys, been looking at this for a while and just pulled the trigger on Bang-good UK, £42 plus discount code = £39 delivered, no brainer
http://eu.banggood.com/Wholesale-Warehouse-X-uav-Mini-Talon-EPO-1300mm-Wingspan-V-tail-FPV-Plane-Aircraft-Kit-wp-Eu-983331.html (http://eu.banggood.com/Wholesale-Warehouse-X-uav-Mini-Talon-EPO-1300mm-Wingspan-V-tail-FPV-Plane-Aircraft-Kit-wp-Eu-983331.html)
Discount code = affiliate6
Quote from: mutley2 on June 04, 2016, 05:55:40 PM
Hey guys, been looking at this for a while and just pulled the trigger on Bang-good UK, £42 plus discount code = £39 delivered, no brainer
http://eu.banggood.com/Wholesale-Warehouse-X-uav-Mini-Talon-EPO-1300mm-Wingspan-V-tail-FPV-Plane-Aircraft-Kit-wp-Eu-983331.html (http://eu.banggood.com/Wholesale-Warehouse-X-uav-Mini-Talon-EPO-1300mm-Wingspan-V-tail-FPV-Plane-Aircraft-Kit-wp-Eu-983331.html)
Discount code = affiliate6
£3 discount... better than nowt I guess.
shame I was too impatient and bought one yesterday before you put this code up lol :)
Copycats :P
Thank you for the code.
Just bought one :overexcited:
Mark.
At that price it'd be rude not to
Quote from: jt on June 03, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
I've ordered a sunnysky 2216 1250kv for it
Just ordered the same motor then thought is this for a 3s or 4s setup as I would like to use a 4s setup and use my Z3 batteries which are 5800mAh and 6400mAh, would also like to know what prop this motor/battery requires? :D
...and yet another one bought here, been looking at one for a while as I want something that breaks down small and at £39 who could say no...;)
Obligatory Sunnysky 2216 1250kv motor on the slow boat from Banggood China too..
Quote from: mutley2 on June 04, 2016, 09:07:02 PM
Just ordered the same motor then thought is this for a 3s or 4s setup as I would like to use a 4s setup and use my Z3 batteries which are 5800mAh and 6400mAh, would also like to know what prop this motor/battery requires? :D
Apparently the motor says 3s but is fine on 4s with an 8x6 prop, that seems to be the most popular setup on these.
I'm trying desperately to resist, think there are nearly 20 planes in my hanger now so I really shouldnt need another!
Me too,need a replacement for my FX61,my flying buddy is building one now so I'll wait and see how his turns out.
How does the storm cope with v tail mixing?
I've got a sunnysky 1400kv motor which I currently run on 4S in my skyray with a 8x6 prop. Only pulls 20A at WOT and reaches 125kph/77mph
I'm sure that motor/prop combo with a 30A ESC will be fine in the mini talon.
Luckily I have a bunch of 3000mah and 5000mah LiPos kicking about, along with a load of metal gear servos and a decent amount of spare ESCs.... this build won't cost me much :)
Quote from: jt on June 04, 2016, 09:33:30 PM
Apparently the motor says 3s but is fine on 4s with an 8x6 prop, that seems to be the most popular setup on these.
Cool, 8x6 prop it is then, this plane just gets better and better, wifey took one look at the picture and said "would you like your son to buy that for you for fathers day" yes please said I heheheheehe win win
Well I've made a (very small) start. A small piece of foam needs cutting away to fit my mg90s servos......
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160605_135136_zpszxfymmhr.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160605_135136_zpszxfymmhr.jpg.html)
It's got bit's on!!!!!
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160605_135334_zpsiavewrjl.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160605_135334_zpsiavewrjl.jpg.html)
Not too sure how to secure the servos with the way the top and bottom are open, I'll probably use hotglue or a bit of por with tape covering the top.
that's very disconcerting that the servo shape holes go all the way through lol...
I think I'll smear a tiny amount of PU glue in the hole, slide the servo in and tape over it to reduce the foaming out of the glue.
I just hot glued mine in, got 90% of the build done on mine on Friday, just need to sort out the camera pan mount now and get the wings on!
Quote from: BlueFlyer on June 05, 2016, 03:36:23 PM
that's very disconcerting that the servo shape holes go all the way through lol...
I think I'll smear a tiny amount of PU glue in the hole, slide the servo in and tape over it to reduce the foaming out of the glue.
I've sorted out the servos in the v tail ;D I just used plenty of por, let it go off for 3 minutes to let the worst of the solvent out but so that it is still stringy/moveable. Then just shoved the servos in. I've just backed them up(because the holes being open all the way through do make me nervous lol) with some fibreglass reinforced packing tape.
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160605_161823_zpsevef3idm.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160605_161823_zpsevef3idm.jpg.html)
Not overly convinced with the single sided glue on control horns either, again I've used por and will see if they feel strong in the morning when the glue has fully cured, looking at pics on t'internet it appears other people are using them so we will see..... Other than that its just a case of shoving the rods on and a spot of CA on the thread of the control horn connector thingy to stop it coming off while still moving on the control horn freely.
I never trust those sort of control horn attachments.
I buy my own in from gliders-uk.
I use 2mm threaded rods with matching M2 steel clevises. I cut the rods to size and put a Z bend in it. The Z bend goes in the servo horn and the clevis screws onto the other end of the rod and clicks into the control surface horn. That way in order to adjust the throw I just un-click it from the control horn and then screw it in or out of the rod to get the desired length.
http://www.gliders.uk.com/8-Push-Rod-M2-Threaded-Pk10/productinfo/RPF-RCA127/ (http://www.gliders.uk.com/8-Push-Rod-M2-Threaded-Pk10/productinfo/RPF-RCA127/)
http://www.gliders.uk.com/Clevis-metal-M2-Pk-10/productinfo/G3548/ (http://www.gliders.uk.com/Clevis-metal-M2-Pk-10/productinfo/G3548/)
Z bend pliers are a must! Love mine, I just normally use 2 bends either end now! Once you have the length it's child's play!
I've put the stock rods and adaptors on but I think I will go with Blue's recommendation, have used the metal clevises before and they are rock solid. The stock rods are really thin as well and were bending under load almost straight away!
The control horns at least do seem very well attached this morning now that the glue has fully cured, I did order some with screw through plates but may just keep the ones I've put on(or not, maybe.... :laugh:).
I'm stuck at home waiting for a delivery, so have done a little more to the MT :)
I put a ply floor in the support cage so it can be used to mount the Vector, just used CA and a bead of hotglue to make sure it doesn't pop out on landing.....
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160607_103938_zpstgt7due0.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160607_103938_zpstgt7due0.jpg.html)
Then I've just glued in the cage, motor mount and one side of the V tail into one side of the fuse.the fit and alignment of the cage was a bit tight but I kept the spars in to make sure it will all go together later lol. I'm not putting the fuse halves together until everything electronics wise is in as it would be difficult otherwise :o
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160607_112408_zps2nflq8rv.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160607_112408_zps2nflq8rv.jpg.html)
Thought about pulling the vector out of the MSH but didn't fancy doing it, then in a fit of madness I've ordered another one........ :o :o :o :o :o
Bad things happen when you're in the house all day! :P
Hehe,true.
Waste of time waiting in though. I'm a bit suspicious about what's going on with my hobbyking order I was waiting for... I never received a dispatched email, it does say dispatched in my account but I payed for 24hr delivery and that was Friday..... No tracking info either, so I'm starting to wonder if it got dispatched at all.It is from the UK warehouse, never had a problem before..
Went on 'live chat' with Hobbyking to find out about my order. I had paid for 24hr shipping from the UK warehouse on Friday and still nothing today >:(
This is what they had to say
QuoteThank you for patiently waiting. I have seen the order. As checked, the order was transferred to GC Distributions due to shipping restriction of batteries. For this one, you will be contacted by them through your contact number: 44*********, regarding with your parcel. Please take note that GC Distribution will contact you. Kindly wait for their instructions. We apologize for the the short notice.
Who the hell are GC distribution?? why would they telephone me and why haven't they?? And what does 'regarding with my parcel' mean :laugh:...... It's only 1 8000mAh 4s and a 2s 1300mAh!! Not to mention 'waiting for their instructions', maybe I will have to meet them in a cafe/under a bridge/in a public square/park bench and wear a pink carnation in my lapel and speak a code word to get my lipos????
My LiPos were sent via Palletline. They delivered it to a completely address (A University Academic mailroom, as opposed to my flat, 1 1/2 miles away) as they said they "Couldn't get down the driveway...." Took 4 business days :/
Doesn't inspire confidence in them Miles lol. Been waiting a week now, well it will be in the morning.
Quote from: BlueFlyer on June 05, 2016, 03:36:23 PM
that's very disconcerting that the servo shape holes go all the way through lol...
I think I'll smear a tiny amount of PU glue in the hole, slide the servo in and tape over it to reduce the foaming out of the glue.
now that mine's arrived I'm pretty much at the same point as your last pictures.
I just dabbed some CA in the slots and slid the servos in... they're such a snug fit anyway I can't see them coming out without physically pushing them out by hand.
I've built the ply canopy but will not be using it. I want something a bit more bespoke so I can get my RunCam2 HD on the nose with a FPV cam on top. I may design something and put a request up on the 3D printing forums again.
I was going to design something for mine, then I discovered the YI cam is a very snug fit on the provided ply platform, I have a fatshark 600tvl which should fit under the YI(infront of the platform piece), providing it can't be seen in the YI footage it makes for an easy life lol. I was going to design and print a simple pan mechanism but don't like the idea of trusting everything to a tiny servo screw :laugh:
Now I'm just waiting on bits, motors coming from Banggood and the esc, lipo etc from Hobbyking(if it ever comes, I'm starting to doubt it will).
Looks like we are in the same boat, got a project box that's half full, really don't like starting until I've all the bits.
I was in two minds to give it a slash of paint as I have had problems in the past formation flying with a pair a of white planes, what paint are people using on this airframe???
Cheers
David
I normally just use the wilkos own brand craft spray paint, but I give the surface of the EPO a light sanding with fine paper beforehand. Gets rid of the mould release agent residue and leaves a nice surface for the paint to adhere to.
I do very light coats, leaving 10 mins between coats.
Sometimes I get impatient and try and get the end result in one spray sitting... never a good idea as the paint tents to drip :(
http://www.wilko.com/metal-and-specialist-paint/wilko-enamel-spray-400ml-royal-blue/invt/0413869 (http://www.wilko.com/metal-and-specialist-paint/wilko-enamel-spray-400ml-royal-blue/invt/0413869)
Quote from: mutley2 on June 10, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
Looks like we are in the same boat, got a project box that's half full, really don't like starting until I've all the bits.
I've got mine all over the dining room, the Mrs hasn't complained yet, which is strange lol(recent bad health issues have left me 'unnaggable' :laugh:....short term anyway...)
QuoteI was in two minds to give it a slash of paint as I have had problems in the past formation flying with a pair a of white planes, what paint are people using on this airframe???
Cheers
David
I use my airbrush with water based colours but I'm not doing the mini talon as it's really shiny already. coloured tape would probably be the way to go if you want to put some distinguishing features on.
I used cheapo spray paint from b&m bargains, hit with the heat gun it dries quickly and seems to stick well. Then did a light coat with a clear lacquer, time will tell how it holds up but the heat gun seemed to seal it nicely.
My box arrived today :) Is anyone laminating it?
I only laminate EPP foam wings, just because they're really easy lol
moulded wings like you get on planes like this, I find too tricky to laminate without it looking all crap and creased around the curved areas.
Also, you don't need to laminate it but of course that's personal preference... by all means add more weight lol
I like the strength and durability it adds. It also helps prevent hanger rash.
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I agree that lamination does indeed add those features. I just think personally that the mini talon does not need strengthening, and the durability/hangar rash repellent properties do not outweigh the aesthetics requirements for me.
I'm sure you're brilliant at laminating awkward shaped planes and wings such as this, and would do a much better job than I at not making it look like a dogs dinner. Can't wait to see it :)
Quote from: BlueFlyer on June 10, 2016, 07:16:55 PM
I normally just use the wilkos own brand craft spray paint, but I give the surface of the EPO a light sanding with fine paper beforehand. Gets rid of the mould release agent residue and leaves a nice surface for the paint to adhere to.
I do very light coats, leaving 10 mins between coats.
Sometimes I get impatient and try and get the end result in one spray sitting... never a good idea as the paint tents to drip :(
http://www.wilko.com/metal-and-specialist-paint/wilko-enamel-spray-400ml-royal-blue/invt/0413869 (http://www.wilko.com/metal-and-specialist-paint/wilko-enamel-spray-400ml-royal-blue/invt/0413869)
I know this is your thread JT lol, but thought I'd chip in with a pic of my mini talon as I don't think I'll be doing a thread of my own.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8259957/FPV/Mini%20Talon/MT01.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8259957/FPV/Mini%20Talon/MT02.jpg)
Quote from: BlueFlyer on June 12, 2016, 03:56:20 PM
I know this is your thread TJ lol, but thought I'd chip in with a pic of my mini talon as I don't think I'll be doing a thread of my own.
Apart from me not being TJ....... (?) no worries BF or should I say FB :laugh:
You've put a Vector on? Thought you had given them up?
Just designed a replacement FPV tray, it just has a servo mount on. I'll share the file after it prints if it fits OK. It may or may not as it's the first time I've tried to recreate the shape of something that cant be made with just boxes and cylinders in 3d software :laugh:
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/minitalontray_zpsocnlwfx6.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/minitalontray_zpsocnlwfx6.jpg.html)
Still need to design a Mobius and fatshark holder to go on it, and maybe a YI and fatshark mount.
Quote from: jt on June 12, 2016, 04:22:17 PM
Apart from me not being TJ....... (?) no worries BF or should I say FB :laugh:
You've put a Vector on? Thought you had given them up?
oops lol, fixed
NO, god no not given up on the Vector... just wanted to swap one for a MFD AP but no-one wanted to buy the Vector so might as well use what I've got.
Quote from: BlueFlyer on June 12, 2016, 04:42:50 PM
oops lol, fixed
NO, god no not given up on the Vector... just wanted to swap one for a MFD AP but no-one wanted to buy the Vector so might as well use what I've got.
Seeing as you mentioned me.
I should add a pic of mine lol.
Mines just plane (pun intended) white with pink landing gear lol.
Oh with an mfd ap.
Wouldn't mind grabbing an stl of your canopy JT lol.
What you made it in.
I'm still on boxes and cylinders too lol
Quote from: _tj_ on June 12, 2016, 05:26:46 PM
Wouldn't mind grabbing an stl of your canopy JT lol.
What you made it in.
I'm still on boxes and cylinders too lol
If it fits lol. I've got one printing at the moment but it's a 4hr print, I'm doing it in one piece as obviously it's strongest that way. If it comes out OK I'll upload it to thingiverse and post the link here.
I'm using fusion 360, I like it but some things you would think were going to be basic in it turn out to be real head scratchers. Googling problems on it often comes up with really complicated answers but I seemto get there eventually by tinkering :laugh:
jt and _tj_ in one thread... mind blown!
Quote from: dp106 on June 10, 2016, 11:14:29 PM
My box arrived today :) Is anyone laminating it?
Me, just laminating the bottom and the a little of the front, after having the Twinstar for so long it paid off and kept it nice with the sites I fly from.
Right, version 2 of my canopy. I've moved the servo mount to the front(mostly to suit a mobius etc) so you don't see a load of plane nose in the video ;)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/th_mini%20talon%20nose_zpsdxhj9arv.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/mini%20talon%20nose_zpsdxhj9arv.jpg.html)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/th_20160613_171041_zpsh9zxaxps.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160613_171041_zpsh9zxaxps.jpg.html)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/th_20160613_171012_zps5ezv1ifj.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160613_171012_zps5ezv1ifj.jpg.html)
It fits good :) I just need to design and print a mobius and fatshark cam holder now. I also need a 180 degree servo, went on Hobbyking for the one they sell but it's on backorder :(
Neat design and well made.
Cheers :)
The file is on thingiverse now, in case anyone else wants it :)
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1624284 (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1624284)
Like the canopy. I might have to use that on my build!
Andy
Quote from: jt on June 13, 2016, 07:34:31 PM
Cheers :)
The file is on thingiverse now, in case anyone else wants it :)
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1624284 (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1624284)
Thanks JT.
Looks good.
Karma given :)
Now I just need to find some glue to stick my prints to the bed.
They keep changing the Pritt stick, last one I had worked perfectly.
This new one is now washable @ 30 degress, which means with heatbed at 110-115 degrees it just burns off the stickyness lol.
I find that Staples own brand stuff works really well for me. It goes on nice and smoothly, and can be reused if you wipe it around with a damp bit of kitchen roll or similar. That's for printing PLA though, I don't tend to push the bed past about 65 degrees C....
Quote from: Andy Sayle on June 13, 2016, 11:01:59 PM
I find that Staples own brand stuff works really well for me. It goes on nice and smoothly, and can be reused if you wipe it around with a damp bit of kitchen roll or similar. That's for printing PLA though, I don't tend to push the bed past about 65 degrees C....
Yeah might have to go back to PLA for a bit.
I've tried pva and water, that doesn't work for me either.
Couple of good prints, but can never get the same consistency lol.
I pretty much just use ABS now, I print onto a glass bed coated with ABS slurry. Most things stick perfectly. A thin coat of the slurry for smaller parts and a thicker coating for large area pieces such as this. When I do use PLA I print onto masking tape and clean it off after lol. Never had much success with pritt or hairspray.
Pritt stick worked good up until I brought this new one.
A small smear onto the glass bed worked well.
I did notice they have brought out another Pritt stick that said "NEW"
A grey colour and super strength.
I guess the grey one is actually the old version, and the other one is modified to wash off kids clothes lol.
Trying pva glue again to print some small things.
Then I'll try the slurry mix.
I can't even try hairspray, I'm allergic to it lol
I used to get a few lifting problems until I used the slurry, I think it is best and of course if you've made it from the same colour ABS it all matches, so no cleaning! ;D
Well after 3 attempts at some clips for the Mrs satnav in car.
I made some slurry and tried the 20mm abs cube.
That stuck ok.
Will try the clips again shortly.
Hi jt.
Is there any chance you could do me one of those mounts (for bear tokens naturally)?
I have a pan servo just waiting for my Runcam which is probably on the same boat as yout Sunnysky motor.
Mark.
Quote from: markwilliams on June 14, 2016, 01:56:01 PM
Hi jt.
Is there any chance you could do me one of those mounts (for bear tokens naturally)?
I have a pan servo just waiting for my Runcam which is probably on the same boat as yout Sunnysky motor.
Mark.
Yeah, no worries(no need for beer tokens :) )
I've just ordered 2 180 servos from banggood for mine
I'll have to give you something.
I can come and collect it whenever you are ready.
Thank you.
Mark.
I'll give you a shout when it's done Mark :D
Wish me luck.
Just started the longest print run, my printer has ever done.
Made some abs slurry.
Place your bets.
How long into it before it fails.
I'm going 2hrs 25 mins lol
JT you got a link to the 180 degree servos mate ?
Like the mount, I'll print one off as well
Cheers
http://www.banggood.com/JX-Servo-PDI-9180MG-12g-180-Degree-MG-Metal-Gear-Analog-Servo-2_0kg-0_12sec-p-1028941.html (http://www.banggood.com/JX-Servo-PDI-9180MG-12g-180-Degree-MG-Metal-Gear-Analog-Servo-2_0kg-0_12sec-p-1028941.html) Don't know what they will be like but they are cheap enough lol.
Currently at 70%
Still printing well.
One hour to go
Quote from: markwilliams on June 14, 2016, 03:08:06 PM
I'll have to give you something.
I can come and collect it whenever you are ready.
Thank you.
Mark.
It's done Mark ;)
Johnny
Blimey that was quick!
Can I pick it up sometime tomorrow?
You can PM me your address and a convenient time.
Thank you jt.
Mark.
You have PM :)
Quote from: _tj_ on June 14, 2016, 06:52:47 PM
Currently at 70%
Still printing well.
One hour to go
Well?????? :laugh: :laugh:
I started heli flying on Phoenix rc after while it were printing lol.
Helifest is almost here haha.
Came out perfect.
Ironically, it's the longest print I've tried (Previous 2hrs) and the best print I've had yet lol.
P.s added the images to thingiverse (I made one) do dah thingy.
Turned out well :) slurry is good stuff to keep your prints on the bed.
I was quite impressed with it tbf.
It looks huge lol,
Just shows how long ago I last flew my talon.
Forgot what it looks like except a brief view of it yesterday while getting tent out the loft.
MY BITS HAVE TURNED UP!!!!!!! Finally after over 2 weeks Hobbyking have managed to deliver!!!! I had stuff from banggood in China beat the delivery from Suffolk to Norfolk! :laugh: :laugh:
Happy now, just wish Hobbyking would actually issue my refund of 40 something quid so I can order a NTM 2836. After seeing the power of Marks with a 10x5 on that motor yesterday, I don't think I want to use the 2216 sunnysky on it, and will probably stick that on the MSH with 4s to improve that :D
Also printing out a mobius/fatshark pan mount I've just drawn up. It's very basic but I'll share the stl if it fits and works. ;D
Nice one Johnny.
Does that include the batteries you ordered?
Mark.
By the way I will ring you tomorrow about the flying site.
Yes, the Batteries were there!!!!! I only got one of the 8000 4s though as I didn't want to order 2 and then they were too heavy and of no use..... I may regret that decision if I want another, and won't dare order one with the motor, in case that makes it take another two weeks! :laugh: :laugh:
Ok mate, speak to you tomorrow :)
The mobius and fatshark mount seems to work ;D Both cams just push in and hold well without additional fixing, so very pleased with that. It does wobble a tiny bit, but I think it's just a tiny bit of play in the servo(it's just mounted on a £2 mg90s for now as I'm waiting on some new 180 servos)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160621_062918_zps1mhuz3sd.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160621_062918_zps1mhuz3sd.jpg.html)
That's quite large to be on the front of your plane, hope you're not going for efficiency ;)
I was planning to cut a hole in the top of the foam and have the servo recessed inside. I'll then mount the fpv and HD cam side by side on top.
Similar to what I did here:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160621/508a1d485bfafa366eb0143b6e9b701d.jpg)
I don't have a 3d printer so bodged it with a piece of plywood :D
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I'll see how it goes. The front of the servo bit is rounded and the cam part presents little more than the two cams would anyway(and probably less than yours will as I'm using the dinky little fatshark cam)
Makes perfect sense to mount the servo inside though, where it would catch no wind........ Still I want the cams right on the nose so they don't see any plane, so digging out foam might weaken it a bit much there. A bit of reinforced tape would take care of that though....lol. I can always make a modified one, cheers dp106, point taken :)
My plan was to use the base of the fpv pod that comes with it. Glue that on top and cut a hole for the servo through it and the foam. Hopefully should still be quite strong that way
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Just at the stage where I'm putting everything inside in preparation to glue the fuse and fly the damn thing now lol. I've made my very first dipole to go on this and was just wondering about position. Will it be badly affected by having the motor wires pass right by? This is pretty unavoidable with everything going in the fuselage.
A pic will explain better :)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160627_090551_zps3iu3bxja.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160627_090551_zps3iu3bxja.jpg.html)
2 things...
1. The motor wires and the dipole are at 90 degrees to each other, so the electromagnetic interference is greatly reduced compared to if you had them parallel
2. The motor wires arent sending pure linear DC power down the cables at a constant rate as the pulses are phased to make the motor spin, so again the interference should be minimal compared to if it was next to a power cable for instance.
I would like to think it would be OK like that picture, however I used the standard monopole that the RX came with and had my minitalon out to 2.1km on the weekend with no issues whatsoever.
Quote from: BlueFlyer on June 27, 2016, 04:09:04 PM
2 things...
1. The motor wires and the dipole are at 90 degrees to each other, so the electromagnetic interference is greatly reduced compared to if you had them parallel
2. The motor wires arent sending pure linear DC power down the cables at a constant rate as the pulses are phased to make the motor spin, so again the interference should be minimal compared to if it was next to a power cable for instance.
I would like to think it would be OK like that picture, however I used the standard monopole that the RX came with and had my minitalon out to 2.1km on the weekend with no issues whatsoever.
Yeah, I was just worried about the close proximity really, wondering now if trying to shield any potential interference by wrapping the 3 motor wires in something foil like(like foil :laugh:). The standard antenna is always an option directly on top and therefore out of the way. I want to do at least 5 km with this, I've only ever gone 2 before on 5.8 video and 2.4 control. This will have the UHF and 1.3, so hoping to go a bit further.
Also I was wondering about making a bracket to keep the diamond antenna upright without being uncomfortable and really handily 'thingiverse' came up trumps, there's often someone who has faced the same problem as you out there lol. This completely defeats the object of buying the ezuhf JR module but hey ho...lol
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160627_135340_zps9tplgi1h.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160627_135340_zps9tplgi1h.jpg.html)
EzUHF will do 5km with a rusty coathanger stuck in the SMA port lol (I've heard someone say :) )
I personally have been to 5.5km on a 4ch lite with monopole, and low power mode on the tx with a diamond antenna.
If you want to push for 10km then dipoles are the way forward.
but theres certainly no harm in putting a dipole on a setup you don't intend to fly too far just yet.
Yeah, that's the point really, I don't know how far this will go, a lot depends on how long the 8000mAh 4s will fly. I've got a circular wireless cpatch to go on my tracker too, so certainly overkill for my current ambitions but they are of course always fluid lol.
I do often look at the ships going past, I think they are somewhere in the vicinity of 12km out from here, that is always in the back of my mind but would require lots of over the land confidence in the gear lol. Capability to go twice the distance you actually fly is still no bad thing lol.
Quote from: BlueFlyer on June 27, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
EzUHF will do 5km with a rusty coathanger stuck in the SMA port lol (I've heard someone say :) )
LIAR! ;) Just ask my crumpled Z3! :P Complete signal loss at 2.2km for me with the stock antenna and a dipole on the Rx. I suspect something else may have been a factor there though, it seems to be against the norm.
Shouldn't have issues where the antenna is I wouldn't think, apart from it will get a bit of a beating on landings! Got a thingiverse link to that module holder? I like the idea. Did you just make up a cable extension for the connections?
Quote from: iwan_canobi on June 27, 2016, 05:24:58 PM
Shouldn't have issues where the antenna is I wouldn't think, apart from it will get a bit of a beating on landings!
It should be OK, I used 1.2mm braided bike cable, it should spring right back to shape.
Quote
Got a thingiverse link to that module holder? I like the idea. Did you just make up a cable extension for the connections?
Here you go http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1148788 (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1148788) Yeah just made up a cable, you do need some fairly long header pins for the module, I used some of the long angled ones that I got with a naze board once :)
Glued the fuselage.......finally :laugh:
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160628_214534_zpssrfcayln.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160628_214534_zpssrfcayln.jpg.html)
I used the wooden hatch nut holders sandwiched with another bit of wood on to keep it all aligned, when I took the bolt out this morning the bloody nut fell out of one!!! Not that I wanted to use long bolts every time I want to open the hatch,so will be thinking of a better way to hold it on.
It's done! Just need to power it up and test everything, level out the control surfaces, put in the battery and fly!
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160629_111724_zps5eainixo.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160629_111724_zps5eainixo.jpg.html)
Thats looking good jt, when is the maiden?
Quote from: jt on June 27, 2016, 06:23:10 PM
Here you go http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1148788 (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1148788) Yeah just made up a cable, you do need some fairly long header pins for the module, I used some of the long angled ones that I got with a naze board once :)
Awesome, cheers!
Quote from: iwan_canobi on June 29, 2016, 01:11:25 PM
.......when is the maiden?
Soon, I hope lol. The weather forecast isn't looking great, 30mph winds for a few days, still it does sometimes drop off in the evenings(wishful thinking), other than that I'm rearing to go!!!!
Good luck with the maiden!
How are you retaining the battery in place? Velcro strap?
Andy
I'm just going to go for self adhesive velcro and gentle landings lol, the 8000mAh 4s isn't exactly small or light but asides from crashing it should be ok......
Quote from: jt on June 29, 2016, 12:34:37 PM
It's done! Just need to power it up and test everything, level out the control surfaces, put in the battery and fly!
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/johnnyjtaylor/Mobile%20Uploads/20160629_111724_zps5eainixo.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/johnnyjtaylor/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160629_111724_zps5eainixo.jpg.html)
Glad to see you have the missus in her place in the kitchen while you dick about with planes:D
Good luck with the maiden.I'm on the same boat,just waiting for a break in the weather.
It's been loaded in the truck every day this week.
Maybe tomorrow?
Quote from: Jake Bullit on June 29, 2016, 03:53:49 PM
Good luck with the maiden.I'm on the same boat,just waiting for a break in the weather.
It's been loaded in the truck every day this week.
Maybe tomorrow?
It's a race to maiden then lol! Looking at the 7 day forecast it's 20mph plus for the whole coming week :( I know this will fly in that but need it a bit stiller for a maiden, especially as she is a bit of a fat bird weighing in at 1.7kg :laugh:
Testing out my headtracking pan with my little 'assistant' :laugh: It's using this (http://www.banggood.com/JX-Servo-PDI-9180MG-12g-180-Degree-MG-Metal-Gear-Analog-Servo-2_0kg-0_12sec-p-1028941.html) little servo from banggood, interestingly it doesn't have a stop point so would probably rotate a lot further.
http://youtu.be/MV1gQ3lsKII (http://youtu.be/MV1gQ3lsKII)
I win? ;)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIotl3m3pWM#)
You did you bugger!!! It's windy as hell here today!!!!! Glad to see it went so well, not sure about your 'landing' though...... :P
Windy here too,was just about making headway into the wind after esc limiter came on due to heat build up???
Came back fast on just a few amps.
Landings are difficult to judge(long glide slope),I tend to just stuff it into the corn, :laugh:
Quote from: BlueFlyer on July 01, 2016, 12:44:04 AM
win what?
Nothing as good as this :laugh: :laugh:
http://youtu.be/aloNixbli6g (http://youtu.be/aloNixbli6g)
Well after lots of delays for parts and then the weather, I'm pleased to say the mini talon has been maidened ;D ;D It fliys dead good as well. No trim was needed at all with everything just being eyed level in the build. The NTM 2836 with 10x5 seems perfect, as it will climb very steeply and cruise really efficiently. Managed to get 70mph out of it but it seems to like to sit at 35-40mph flying all chilled. It is incredibly stable without any artificial stabilisation on and is just all round good :) :) :)
I made one little F*** up though, the elevator was reversed and like an idiot I reversed it on the tx without re running the vectors rx wizard, it got quite exciting when I flicked it into 2d :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
This was a good maiden for me as it was not only my mini talons first flight but also my ezuhf's, my first try with my homemade dipole for the uhf(only flew 800m out but it sat a 100%rssi), and my first flight with 1280 video and Burger's(my mates) 1280 skews. Everything worked splendidly 88) 88)
Makes me realise just how shite my mini sky hunter is lol.
Edit: i didn't balance the prop, hence the jello.....
http://youtu.be/fS5jUf8pvlo (http://youtu.be/fS5jUf8pvlo)
Good stuff :)
At least you worked out pretty quickly what was up with the 2D mode.
Quote from: Coyote on July 04, 2016, 03:31:41 PM
Good stuff :)
At least you worked out pretty quickly what was up with the 2D mode.
Thanks :)
It would have been a much shorter video if I hadn't of lol. I just can't believe I did that, trouble was I ran the rx wizard before installing it and when I tried the control surfaces, I just reversed the elevator and didn't give it another thought..... :laugh: Glad I did at least have the sense to try the 2d modes at height and not stuck it straight into it after taking off :laugh:
Nice one jt.
How hot was your motor when you came down.
I'm trying to figure out if the specs are wrong and it's under propped.
Before I get a new motor.
I might just take the motor out my eflite rarebear.
8x8 and 6s would certainly make it entertaining (if only lol)
Motor was warm but not by any means too hot. It drew 30A WOT. Might be worth cutting a vent if you fly hard, you could even print a little scoop to direct air into a hole. 10x5 seems a good prop for the 1200 version of the motor :D
I think you've convinced me I'll give that one a try.
I'll still remove the excess foam covering the motor though.
Just cut it off in one.
I can glue it back if it makes no difference lol
Quote from: _tj_ on July 04, 2016, 08:13:17 PM
I think you've convinced me I'll give that one a try.
I'll still remove the excess foam covering the motor though.
Just cut it off in one.
I can glue it back if it makes no difference lol
Animal!! lol.
Just had a watch of the video.............
WHAT A SHOW OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maiden flight and doing inverted flying and all that.
Sure you didn't flick to 3D mode haha..
:P :P
Quote from: _tj_ on July 04, 2016, 09:44:30 PM
Just had a watch of the video.............
WHAT A SHOW OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maiden flight and doing inverted flying and all that.
Sure you didn't flick to 3D mode haha..
:P :P
lol, I got some 'special' manoeuvres in there :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I now know what to do when my roll rate is crap and slow.
Reverse the elevator and trick it :D
Quote from: _tj_ on July 04, 2016, 09:58:17 PM
I now know what to do when my roll rate is crap and slow.
Reverse the elevator and trick it :D
:laugh: Still can't believe I did that. I'd better remember to sort it before I go out with it again lol.
Looking forward to how stable the vector will keep it though. With stabilisation off the thing was more stable than the mini sky hunter with it on! lol
Yeah, I like the way the mini talon just stays in whatever attitude you put it lol... straight as an arrow.
especially helpful when launching, normally my skywalker will drop a wing or something... this just goes where I put it... like it's on rails or something.
Yeah, must say I'm massively impressed with it so far. I want to get a bit further out next time I fly it :)
Hey Johnny.
I managed to download the clip at last.
Nice maiden apart from your mix up with the Vector wizard. Just as well you didn't launch in 2D mode like I did or the maiden would have been a tad short!
Nice flying site by the way ;).
Mark.
Quote from: markwilliams on July 05, 2016, 07:26:23 AM
Hey Johnny.
I managed to download the clip at last.
Nice maiden apart from your mix up with the Vector wizard. Just as well you didn't launch in 2D mode like I did or the maiden would have been a tad short!
Nice flying site by the way ;).
Mark.
Cheers Mark :). It went up at a similar angle to yours on launch lol, as in near vertical for a couple of seconds :laugh: Glad I copied your motor choice, it was a good one ;D Hopefully we'll get some good weather at the end of the week when you're back. Do you know if your FPV stuff has turned up for yours?
Yeah it's a nice little flying spot I found :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I've printed you off a couple of those runcam cases too :)
Thank you Johnny.
Still waiting for the 1.2 stuff from Banggood. It's coming from Holland so I'm expecting it there for when I get home. My new Dominator V3s are there.
I will probably be a bit busy when I first get back but I will give you a shout.
Mark.
I am also hoping to maiden the MTD if you are free.
Mark.
Quote from: markwilliams on July 05, 2016, 09:22:11 AM
I am also hoping to maiden the MTD if you are free.
Mark.
Always up for a maiden :o :o :o :laugh:. But yeah, of course, wouldn't miss it, I'll be official cameraman :)
Quote from: markwilliams on July 05, 2016, 09:11:50 AM
I will probably be a bit busy when I first get back but I will give you a shout.
No worries, whenever you get a chance mate :)
I've rerun the Vector rx wizard, charged up the battery and am ready for another flight tonight :D Hopefully no more 2d inverted-backward-nose down brown pants stuff lol.
Spoil sport.
I was looking forward to the video
I can send you the settings TJ, then you could fly like it too :P :P :P :P :P
You'll have to send me your vector to as I don't have one lol
Quote from: _tj_ on July 05, 2016, 08:21:57 PM
You'll have to send me your vector to as I don't have one lol
But the settings will work even better in other autopilots :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I got another opportunity to take the Mini Talon out again last night. This time I had my rx and vector reading from the same page :laugh: :laugh: Didn't do anything too spectacular, I just tested out the 2d modes, return to home and felt my way out to 2.1km. Everything worked well, and no dramas.
There are a couple of vector things others more experienced with them may be able to help me with, in 2d hold and therefore in RTH too it kind of bobs up and down a bit, this may be because the talon likes to gain altitude and the throttle level is causing it to climb?? The other oddity is that in 2d no hold it turns a bit to the right, the artificial horizon is in the right place and if you disengage the stabilisation the plane flys hands off, true and level. Anyhow overall it all good ;D The video does get a bit dark but it flys for so long that the sun went down during the flight lol.
http://youtu.be/Z4TsbXEqnRI (http://youtu.be/Z4TsbXEqnRI)
Very nice JT, smooth and I did like the low tree stuff as well, great flying :thumbsup:
Cheers, I did say to myself I wasn't going to fly under that tree as catching it wouldn't have ended well with a fairly weighty plane(this one is supposed to be for serious FPV lol), but then the tree is there.... :laugh:
Had another go on mine last night and the maiden will be next week or the weekend if I can get the antenna's on the VNA by tomorrow. With pan and tilt she's 1.7Kg with a 5800mAh 4s :overexcited:
Hi jt,
the bobbing up and down on RTH is related to gain. Have you got a gain knob setup? if yes you can tweak it during RTH to find out the right number.
Cheers
RTH gain is set separately in the Vector GUI.
As FlyingRock says, use your gain knob to find out which number it flies well on in 2D mode. Then use that number in the RTH gain field in the software.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8259957/FPV/general/vectorrthgain.jpg)
Cheers chaps, didn't think of the gains as it flies fine in 2d no hold, it bobs up and down in 2d with hold though. I do have the gains on a knob so will have a twiddle with it :D
Quote from: mutley2 on July 07, 2016, 11:39:14 AM
Had another go on mine last night and the maiden will be next week or the weekend if I can get the antenna's on the VNA by tomorrow. With pan and tilt she's 1.7Kg with a 5800mAh 4s :overexcited:
Mines 1.7kg too and flys like a dream, doesn't feel clumsy or heavy at all :D
Heh just picked up one of these from BG, looks like I have some reading to do :)
YES!!
I think we've all got one now!
I think that's something like 15 on here in the last few weeks!!! We must come up with a Mini Talon challenge ;)
Makes you wonder how good the big talon is doesn't it........ :laugh: Hopefully if the sales of these have been really good from banggoods eu warehouse, as obviously we are not the only foam buying idiots in europe, they will stock more planes here!!!
Quote from: jt on July 07, 2016, 03:36:09 PMMakes you wonder how good the big talon is doesn't it.....
Well I should find out soon enough ;)
I've got a MT waiting in the garage as well... too cheap to pass! :p
That's 16 or so of us then lol.
Quote from: Steve W on July 07, 2016, 03:21:51 PM
Heh just picked up one of these from BG, looks like I have some reading to do :)
Anygood flying sites near you Steve,
Unless you fancy a meet at Epworth / Owston Ferry sometime.
I have to get a new motor, but once that's sorted.
I'm so bloody confused by jt and tj lol... can't keep track of which one is doing what lol
Quote from: BlueFlyer on July 08, 2016, 12:50:19 AM
I'm so bloody confused by jt and tj lol... can't keep track of which one is doing what lol
lmao,
It's lucky he hasn't the underscores also.
Once your mind sees both underscores the bit in the middle is irrelavent lol
Quote from: _tj_ on July 08, 2016, 12:35:37 AM
Anygood flying sites near you Steve,
Unless you fancy a meet at Epworth / Owston Ferry sometime.
I have to get a new motor, but once that's sorted.
Yea loads - straight out the back of my house is a 2km long field, I'm right in the middle of nothing but countryside really. Very flat and empty though.
Sounds good.
I found a mystery motor in its packaging I just remembered.
I know it's an ntm, I'll just need to see what kv etc it is.
Ordered it months ago.
Will check it in the morning.
Quote from: BlueFlyer on July 08, 2016, 12:50:19 AM
I'm so bloody confused by jt and tj lol... can't keep track of which one is doing what lol
He's like me from a parallel Universe, one where things are reversed, and with underscores................ _ereht_driew_s'tI_ :o
JT are my real bonafide initials :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: jt on July 08, 2016, 08:50:52 AM
He's like me from a parallel Universe, one where things are reversed, and with underscores................ _ereht_driew_s'tI_ :o
JT are my real bonafide initials :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
He's like me from a parallel Universe, one where things are reversed, and without underscores................ ereht driew s'tI :o
TJ are my real bonafide initials :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
head's wrecked